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explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

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ride into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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cryptozoology waters as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night night now your electrifying hosts

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of exploring the bizarre Timothy Beckley

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Oh

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oh my oh my god what is that what does

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that sound that also pressure it's it's

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pushing into the ground oh my goodness I

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can't I can't get up I I can't get I

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can't move I'm out here you're

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Stonehenge ooh there's a big flap going

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on it's that awful thing it's a thing in

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the sky over warminster oh my goodness

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Tim Jim they're gonna get us yet one of

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these days oh hi Tim you're now going to

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be made into a crop circle to the

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official Tim Beckley crop circle well

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you know I just had we're going to be

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talking a lot about Stonehenge and ley

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lines tonight and dowsing and you know

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and I had a very remarkable experience

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back in the early 1980s in the town of

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warminster with well some people called

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it the thing and it first started on

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Christmas morning when this gal this

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lady was on her way to church and she

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heard this like sound in the sky like a

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she said a thousand bees and she was

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thrown to the ground and and she

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couldn't get it couldn't get up and

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later that day it turned out that

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several people had seen this UFO in the

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sky and they called it the thing now I

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was invited by you know my friend the

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later Earl of Clan Carney Brinsley the

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port wrench to give a little impromptu

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off-the-record talk at the House of

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Lords unofficial UFO a group and after I

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spent the day at the House of Lords and

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the evening with the bridging of the

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port wrench I decided to take a train

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out to Stonehenge because it is a major

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attraction of course and anybody who's

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into 14 phenomena and metaphysics and

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UFOs and well certainly has to spend at

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least one afternoon there and after

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visiting the Stonehenge

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decided to check in with my main bud a

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fella by the name of Arthur shuttle one

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who's booked a UFO prophecy Tim we had

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published here in the United States and

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he was the editor of the local daily

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newspaper in Warminster journal and he

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had started out as a skeptic as far as

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UFOs go but in the short period of time

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and with all the eyewitness testimony he

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was privy to he began to realize that

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people were indeed seeing and hearing

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something very strange over this town so

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I went out there to visit with him we

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had the Indian food for dinner and

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joined up with the Arthur uh strong Bob

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strong I'm sorry who was the retired RAF

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pilot who had taken Oh dozens and dozens

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of photographs he had a great scrapbook

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full of just pictures of all kinds of

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weird things in the sky you talk about

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strange phenomena well this was

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everything from my giant back to a

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freight train going by you know he would

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mount the telescope on the the hood of

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his car and sit out there till you know

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after midnight taking all these

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photographs and some of them were very

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remarkable unfortunately most of his

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photographs were borrowed and never

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returned so when he did show me his

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scrapbook it was half empty at that

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point but no we did mat it we did manage

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to to publish a few of his photographs

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and this updated edition of a UFO

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prophecy that we just came out with less

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than a year ago anyway with our Arthur

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shuttle with at my side we saw this

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object in the sky that looked kind of

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like a well Alea what would you call the

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lit globe except it was small I mean it

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wasn't that you know it wasn't that

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close but Arthur thought that it was one

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of them it was one of the these

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intelligent objects that had even landed

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on several occasions in the field there

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so he said let's see what happens if we

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flash a a torch light a giant flashlight

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and see if the object will respond well

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sure enough he has me the this

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flashlight and I started blinking no

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Morse code or anything but blink blink

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blink and every time I would blink to

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light at it it would seem to respond in

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some sort of intelligent manner almost

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as if it knew what we were doing I mean

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signaling so i thats the the one night I

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do believe that I can actually say in

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earnest that I did communicate with a

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UFO whatever a UFO might be in fact I

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know there are many people of course in

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the town of warminster there who thought

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that these were they were being visited

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by spaceships but there are other

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opinions and I know that both the doctor

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Greg little and myself don't necessarily

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accept the ETH hypothesis we think that

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they are more paranormal or psychic in

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design and so we're going to get into

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that tonight Tim and I I guess you've

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been interested in in the ley lines and

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dowsing and all these ancient monuments

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and all for quite a while yourself

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idea of dowsing has has been fascinating

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to me and I'll tell you this this quick

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story because I know we want to get to

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our guests but earlier this year the the

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people who live across the street from

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me had put in a swimming pool and they

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had trouble with with drainage they were

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trying to locate an older drainage pipe

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that that ran from the back of their

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yard and then through their front yard

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and then finally into the the water

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system under the under the street they

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couldn't locate it and so they hired

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local contractors to try to find it and

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was watching these guys and they came

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out and you know they brought out like

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their metal detectors and all that and

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they were you know going back and forth

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in the art which you know I wouldn't

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think they'd be able to find anything

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because most of the the pipes around

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here are either you know like plastic or

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tile not metal

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well sure enough they couldn't find

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anything well then one of them got into

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the back of his truck and he brought out

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now if anybody is familiar with with

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dowsing Elrod's I mean that's what they

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look like they look like two pieces of

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metal that are bet in the shape of an L

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hangers and it's the same thing yeah

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I've done it well these these things I

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mean he had them in a really nice box

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and I mean he brought them out they had

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handles on them and obviously I mean you

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know fairly expensive of L rods and he

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got them out started walking back and

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forth across the yard for these things

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and you know they they they crisscross

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at various locations he he marked where

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they crossed each other and they said to

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digging sure enough they found the pipe

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in just a matter of 10 minutes when they

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had been out there earlier with all

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kinds of modern equipment couldn't find

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anything for a couple of hours well you

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a millionaire by doing a little bit of

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dowsing I understand that he was hired

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by a company that was looking for oil in

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one particular area and he got out a map

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and a pendulum and did a little bit of

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dowsing and located the place for them

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to drill they found the oil and he

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became part of the yo get his butt to

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attain some money on it and no he's he's

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made a lot of money for doing that as

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far as I'm from what I hear yeah but but

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but let us get into the arghya our guest

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of the evening once you tell everybody

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who we're going to be talking with oh

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sure would be my pleasure well we have

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Maria Wheatley Maria is a

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second-generation tauzer who is a

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leading authority on the geodetic system

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of earth energies she's taught how to

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decode and divine the lands by her late

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father Dennis Wheatley who was

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considered to be one of the UK's top

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master dowsers now maria leads sacred

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sike tours and dowsing tours small

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groups privates you know one-to-one or

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larger groups they're all welcome to

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sites as stone heads Avebury Glastonbury

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Ireland Scotland France and Prague now

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Maria is also an accomplished author of

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books on sacred sites and dowsing and

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using dowsing Maria discovered the

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elongated skulls of stone heads which

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led to the remark or untold story of

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stone heads and the Neolithic high Queen

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we got to find out about that oh yeah

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definitely why not as well Rhea book

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about that the elongated skulls of stone

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heads divining ancient sites insights

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into their creation and a very a very

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sorry Sun Moon and Earth energies now

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with us tonight also is dr. Greg little

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now mr. little or dr. little sorry is a

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psychologist specializing in the

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treatment of criminal populations and

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his programs are in use in all 50 states

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and in nine countries he's also the

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author or co-author of over 60 books and

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over a thousand articles for nearly 40

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years he has investigated UFO theories

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ancient mound cultures native-american

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rituals and death beliefs and is the

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author of the Illustrated encyclopedia

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of Native American Indian mounds and

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earthworks paths of souls and he's also

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been on hundreds of radio shows and has

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been been featured numerous

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documentaries now I should point out

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that him and his wife dr. Loren ittle

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little actively searched the Bahamas for

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crashed planes and archaeological ruins

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that might be linked to Atlantis and I

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should point out that dr. little also

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wrote the book people of the web which

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is one of my favorite books I've got a

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probably a first edition copy in my

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library here and I'll tell you that I

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think that came out about 1990 and

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that's always been one of my go-to books

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so Maria dr. little thank you very much

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for being with us tonight on exploring

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the bizarre well you know Tim my head is

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beginning to expand so I think in that

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that case we'll begin with the Maria

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over the UK research honey elongated

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skulls but Maria how are you doing this

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morning here in the UK but I'm doing

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just fine thanks for having me on the

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show well I love to happy I'd love to

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this talk with you here for the next

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couple of hours where are you exactly

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dating back to the 12th century called

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Marlborough which is quite close to

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which is the contains the largest stone

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circle in the world and about sort of 15

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miles or so from Stonehenge ah so on a

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clear night you could almost see the the

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tall stones there if I jumps up and down

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a bit but so it was your your father who

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started investigate now what year would

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would that have have been that your dad

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got into this that was that was quite

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some time ago actually now and what I've

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done since since being sort of shown how

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to dowse all those years ago it's to try

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and look more to use dowsing to find

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things like leis and Stonehenge but also

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to try and back that up with some kind

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of you know scientific observation and

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recordings as well so I've teamed up

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with people like Rodney Hale and David

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Webb to try and you know prove that

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these energies exist so I've tried to

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kind of take it further and present

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findings on the ancient landscape and

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places like Stonehenge

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well you know there may actually be some

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people in our audience who don't know

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what a ley line is what did you tell us

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a little bit about the history because

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as I understand that it all kind of

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started what around 1920 or so when a

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gentleman with a dowsing rod went out

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and realized that there were certain

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energies that were abundant in certain

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places and they were all on a straight

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line

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that's right I mean the grandfather of

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lays or ley lines as you say in the

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States

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they actually means line here began with

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Alfred Watkins in about the 1920s but my

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research has dated it back much much

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further to a magician over here in the

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Elizabethan period called dr. John Dee

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and he was wise yes one of my favorite

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personalities in the occult certainly is

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and he reported in one of his

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publications that there were immortal

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lines in the landscape he was actually

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described in lays long long before

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outfit Watkins and again prior to Alfred

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Watkins you had other antiquarian

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authors such as the Reverend Edward Duke

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who's also described in straight

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alignments in the landscape so so what's

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a lay as you said LA is literally a line

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of force sometimes they can have energy

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these straight lines sometimes they

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don't so sometimes they call

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topographical lace that's just an

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alignment with the minimum of five sites

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sited upon it some lace can be really

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short they can be just a mile or a

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couple of miles long and some lace can

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be extraordinary long like 300 miles

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long is that quite a long lay in the UK

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and some of them go right the way around

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the world have become great circles and

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some layers can be parts of grid systems

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so they're quite complex some layers can

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be aligned to an astronomical event for

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example like the rise in Sun at Beltane

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theis may the first and the ancient

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pagan calendar so if that played author

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such as John Michell in the 60s to

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suggest that some lays were actually

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man-made and orientated to face

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astronomical events so now I know that

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there are all types of different

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techniques for dowsing as Tim mint

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mentioned you know uri geller using the

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pendulum and Elrod's and

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you know going as far back as people

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using the fork fork stick do you have a

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favorite method yeah my favorite method

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is actually using the old world I think

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it's quite simple very easy to use so I

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use a capo and nickel-based L rod with

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sleeves hat sort of handles on them it's

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it's really easy to use and you can use

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just one rod these days a lot of

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professional dancers in the UK just have

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the wrong rod and you can you can employ

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methods like directional Dowson asking

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the elrod to show you the direction of a

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given object or target so it's really

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easy to use and anyone and everyone can

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dowse it's it's really easy to apply

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when when you were learning to do this I

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mean did you find that you are a natural

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at it or did it take you some time to

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actually it'll find your find your force

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so to speak

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well it's like anything any skill or art

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if you practice it you become our debt

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so I think with a little bit of practice

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anyone and everyone can do so I think

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yes you do have Naturals but you know is

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it's a skill that can be taught and

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applied so I mean I teach across

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sky-byte I teach online courses and

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people easily grasp this ancient art not

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just to find water or pipes as you were

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describing earlier but to decode their

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house to see how their houses are

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energetically whether they're good or or

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negative places to live I know a lady

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who is she's a chiropractor by

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profession and she has a technique where

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she actually will rock back and forth

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and I'm not quite sure just exactly you

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know how she does this but she says when

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she gets some resistance and I'm not

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quite sure what she means by resistance

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when she rocks back and forth yeah I

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mean it's similar to the technique where

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I've seen people where they will rub a

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surface where they're you know like

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dowsing and then when they get a stick

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you know that they've hit upon the the

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the correct answer so I mean there there

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are there there seems to be almost as

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many techniques as there are people out

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there now when you describe earth

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energies and being able to detect them

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the ancients did either with techniques

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like you know we've been talking about

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or maybe just you know with this you

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know with a natural ability just to be

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able to to detect these things I mean do

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you think that our ancestors knew about

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these these earth energies and lines of

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force and made use of them yes I do I

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think they were fully aware of the

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energetic ley system I think they were

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fully aware of different types of earth

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energies some earth energies are

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generated by deep underground water

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produced independently by the earth for

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example and that produces a huge spiral

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pattern called a Geo spiral that seems

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to represent like the esoteric center of

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an ancient site like Stonehenge so if we

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imagine deep deep deep down in the

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ground large pools or lakes of water

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created by the earth herself rather than

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from rainfall then that produces a huge

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energy field and this seems to be that's

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what the ancients were looking for and

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what we've termed the Corden's

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use an equipment over these geo spiral

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energy places it seems that they're

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roundabout sort of 7 to 11 Hertz which

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is equivalent to our alpha brain and the

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Schumann resonance of the earth so yes

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that's what I think I think they were

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looking for these highly energetic

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places and when you place a standing

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stone into this energy field that stone

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seems to absorb the energy and starts to

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transmit it across the land itself and

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again we've done experiments to prove

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megalithic energy so it's a huge system

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that the ancients were tapping into so

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these megalithic structures their doctor

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scattered haphazardly across the

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landscape they've been deliberately

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placed in specific locations yes they

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were marking deep underground aquifers

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they were marking also earth earth

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energies so earth energies if we

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visualize a ley system for example

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that's a long straight ley alignment

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that sometimes has earth energies a male

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and female current entwine in it in a

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caduceus style manner

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that's a ley system and one of the first

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ley systems were discovered by the late

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Hamish Miller and Paul Broadhurst a

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wonderful dowser and Hamish forded one

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of my books the ancients were looking

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for those as well and in ancient China

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these were documented in the system

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called feng shui as white tiger and and

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green dragon for example they

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personified thermus animals so this

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system has been known to ancient man for

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form you don't have thousands and

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thousands of years and I think this is

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what dr. John Dee became aware of

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because when he wrote about the ley

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systems he said it gives you it gives a

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magician or person a power in both their

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words and in their works so John Dee

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realized if you're in the right place

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you can tap into this energy system

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because a lot of people today feel that

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it's sentient and conscious and can

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interact with your own consciousness

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I know author colon Wilson in one of his

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books wrote about how he and his wife

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had attempted dowsing megalithic

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structures and I can't which one

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specifically he had referred to but but

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he said one of them and he felt that the

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energies coming out of it were almost

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like he liked spiraling out was was the

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perception that he had well and

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unfortunately I'm gonna have to

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ask finish my question the next segments

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because we are coming to the end of this

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part of exploring the bazaar when we

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come back we'll bring in dr. Gregg

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little to the conversation and

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continuing to talk about earth energies

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and hopefully dr. little will be able to

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talk more about Atlantis and possibly

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have the connection between the ancient

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mountain builders of North America so

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stay tuned for now back to exploring the

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bazaars with two of the most

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electrifying researchers in the Paranoid

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and welcome back to exploring the

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bizarre and Murray I need to finish our

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question real quick about the late

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author Colin Wilson who he was said one

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of his books that him and his wife had

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had tried some dowsing and he wasn't

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very good at it but his wife was really

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good but he said that he tried dowsing

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one megalith and he he felt almost like

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an electric shock coming from it and

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actually felt sick to his stomach and

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had to get away from it sit down for a

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little while so are these structures

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still energetic they're still active

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after all of these you know thousands of

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years not more yes they are but as long

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as they're still rooted into either the

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lays or the earth energies or the

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electromagnetic emissions from

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underground water yes they are very

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active and they seem to have particular

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points on the stone that are more active

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and this is what Rodney Hale and my

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myself looked into they're like energy

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bands if you will that kind of wrap

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around the stone spiral around the stone

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and it's these points that are really

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powerful and very sensitive people can

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feel their most like a tingling

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sensation or sometimes

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Juan del Sur MRSA del Sur called Tom

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Lethbridge for example when he was douse

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in the Mary made in stone circle in

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Cornwall he felt that stone started to

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rock and to move and that made him feel

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very sort of unbalanced for a while

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insensitive some sensitive people can

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feel the energies well how big was a

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stone the Mary made in stones in

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Cornwall are probably their large

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granite dress blocks about sort of six

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feet high and it was moving

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he felt he reported it in one of his

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books yes he felt it was kind of like

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Rocking that's how he describes any news

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he was using a pendulum to dowse over

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the top and he was a long cord pendulum

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dowsing was the father of long cord

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pendulum dowsing which uses the rate of

543
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:35,620
something like twenty twenty six and a

544
00:26:41,010 --> 00:26:38,559
half inches pendulum chord or harmonic

545
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:41,020
of that a subdivision of that could find

546
00:26:46,620 --> 00:26:42,880
underground water that's what he was

547
00:26:48,990 --> 00:26:46,630
master dancer of hey how about that

548
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:49,000
figures on Easter Island are they tied

549
00:26:56,790 --> 00:26:54,400
in with this any stone that is put into

550
00:26:58,799 --> 00:26:56,800
the earth energy system will behave in a

551
00:27:01,710 --> 00:26:58,809
particular manner yes it makes them kind

552
00:27:05,220 --> 00:27:01,720
of come alive with with I was going to

553
00:27:08,430 --> 00:27:05,230
say I was in Tahiti and there was a

554
00:27:10,620 --> 00:27:08,440
woman who was doing airbrush like a

555
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:10,630
tapestry and she would have him hanging

556
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:13,210
outside or played by one and I have one

557
00:27:20,100 --> 00:27:16,330
here of this I I guess an ancient

558
00:27:21,780 --> 00:27:20,110
astronaut saint of the one of the gods

559
00:27:23,910 --> 00:27:21,790
from Easter Island the stone figures

560
00:27:27,450 --> 00:27:23,920
carting off a very attractive woman I

561
00:27:29,970 --> 00:27:27,460
mean it's a kind of a bizarre piece of

562
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:29,980
tapestry but I it's it takes a pair from

563
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:32,320
my living room wall I mean it's and was

564
00:27:37,020 --> 00:27:35,170
always intrigued me the the figures

565
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:37,030
there on Easter Island but that that's

566
00:27:42,780 --> 00:27:39,850
probably a story for another evening but

567
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:42,790
dr. little how are you I'm good but I

568
00:27:51,150 --> 00:27:45,130
want to hear the rest of this story of

569
00:27:53,610 --> 00:27:51,160
the Easter Island figure well I'll send

570
00:27:55,890 --> 00:27:53,620
you I'll send you a copy of the tapestry

571
00:27:57,570 --> 00:27:55,900
I actually said I actually used it in

572
00:28:00,620 --> 00:27:57,580
one of my horror

573
00:28:02,970 --> 00:28:00,630
films I think it was the skin eating

574
00:28:06,270 --> 00:28:02,980
what was the name of that filter it's

575
00:28:10,290 --> 00:28:06,280
good eating jungle vampires yeah like

576
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:10,300
that yeah alright but that's you know I

577
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:14,290
do exploring the bazaar a more stable a

578
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:18,010
topic so dr. Little's how long have you

579
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:22,450
been investigating the Indian mounds and

580
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:25,090
these ancient structures and how did you

581
00:28:28,890 --> 00:28:27,520
get it involved in all of this I you

582
00:28:30,390 --> 00:28:28,900
know I know who you are and of course

583
00:28:34,140 --> 00:28:30,400
I've read your articles and stuff but I

584
00:28:36,690 --> 00:28:34,150
don't really know how you got started in

585
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:36,700
all of this it's been an entry in

586
00:28:41,730 --> 00:28:39,760
intriguing a career for you I have done

587
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:41,740
a lot of different things and it's kind

588
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,690
of a long story first of all thank you

589
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:45,760
for having me on it's always good to

590
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:47,710
just kind of spread the word and listen

591
00:28:59,010 --> 00:28:54,850
to other people excuse me I got I got

592
00:29:02,370 --> 00:28:59,020
into this actually in the 1960s when my

593
00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:02,380
family moved to Huntsville Alabama my

594
00:29:08,810 --> 00:29:06,510
father went to work for NASA mm-hmm I

595
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:08,820
was doing fine till just a minute ago

596
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:11,710
maybe there's a setting but era theaters

597
00:29:16,290 --> 00:29:14,170
want me to talk yes the earth and I

598
00:29:17,910 --> 00:29:16,300
don't I don't talk about this early

599
00:29:21,380 --> 00:29:17,920
history much or how I got into these

600
00:29:24,390 --> 00:29:21,390
things but I got into UFOs back then and

601
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:24,400
of course I wrote quite a bit about UFOs

602
00:29:30,390 --> 00:29:27,370
in the 80s and then in the 90s and after

603
00:29:32,580 --> 00:29:30,400
I completed writing the first UFO book

604
00:29:38,430 --> 00:29:32,590
that I wrote which was a follow-up to

605
00:29:40,110 --> 00:29:38,440
Carl Jung's 1959 book that was in 1983 I

606
00:29:43,050 --> 00:29:40,120
finished the book and I was looking for

607
00:29:44,390 --> 00:29:43,060
a publisher and I began having a

608
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:44,400
out-of-nowhere

609
00:29:50,130 --> 00:29:47,410
began having a series of dreams and in

610
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:50,140
the dreams I was standing on Indian

611
00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:51,730
mounds now I didn't even know what an

612
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:54,280
Indian Mound was but I would stand on a

613
00:29:59,130 --> 00:29:56,050
mound in this dream and I'd take a

614
00:30:01,650 --> 00:29:59,140
picture and then I'd be on another round

615
00:30:03,540 --> 00:30:01,660
and I take another picture and another

616
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:03,550
mound and take a picture and this went

617
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:05,890
on all through the night it was very

618
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:09,010
disturbing for a while now I was working

619
00:30:12,539 --> 00:30:10,809
I was running

620
00:30:15,330 --> 00:30:12,549
it's abuse and mental health programs

621
00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:15,340
within within prison systems and where I

622
00:30:20,369 --> 00:30:17,769
live in Memphis Tennessee very

623
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:20,379
mainstream I did a lot of research

624
00:30:26,369 --> 00:30:23,289
published lots and mainstream journals

625
00:30:28,739 --> 00:30:26,379
and this dream that I had it went on for

626
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:28,749
10 straight nights it was very

627
00:30:33,450 --> 00:30:31,570
disturbing disturb my wife also and I

628
00:30:36,930 --> 00:30:33,460
had no idea what it was about until I

629
00:30:40,739 --> 00:30:36,940
woke up on really the the morning after

630
00:30:43,230 --> 00:30:40,749
the tenth dream and for some reason that

631
00:30:46,259 --> 00:30:43,240
I cannot explain I decided that I needed

632
00:30:48,899 --> 00:30:46,269
to go to a local Indian man that had

633
00:30:51,239 --> 00:30:48,909
never been to I say all the time and

634
00:30:53,460 --> 00:30:51,249
this is very honest that at the time

635
00:30:54,629 --> 00:30:53,470
everything I knew about Indian mounds I

636
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:54,639
could have written on the back of a

637
00:31:00,450 --> 00:30:57,039
postage stamp which I know you guys know

638
00:31:04,350 --> 00:31:00,460
what a postage stamp is because you're

639
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:04,360
old enough to know I still stick them on

640
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:06,970
to envelopes for catalogs I've been

641
00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:10,090
doing it all day there you go but I

642
00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:11,769
really didn't know anything about him I

643
00:31:17,580 --> 00:31:14,289
mean I had a bachelor's and master's and

644
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,590
a doctorate and in all my coursework and

645
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:19,600
and the anthropology that I took

646
00:31:23,789 --> 00:31:21,610
everything in high school in history

647
00:31:26,489 --> 00:31:23,799
they never talked about Native American

648
00:31:29,070 --> 00:31:26,499
Indians ever never talked about any of

649
00:31:32,340 --> 00:31:29,080
that history history began in 1492 as

650
00:31:34,259 --> 00:31:32,350
far as school was concerned so I went to

651
00:31:37,139 --> 00:31:34,269
the first mounds which was in Memphis

652
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:37,149
there were skeletons on display there

653
00:31:45,539 --> 00:31:42,490
but immediately I just I just knew that

654
00:31:48,869 --> 00:31:45,549
what I had to do was to visit every

655
00:31:51,450 --> 00:31:48,879
known mound site in North America I've

656
00:31:53,789 --> 00:31:51,460
since expanded that and started going to

657
00:31:55,169 --> 00:31:53,799
ones in Central America bend a lot of

658
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:55,179
places in England bend of the merry

659
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:58,210
maidens well how did how did you find

660
00:32:03,749 --> 00:32:01,600
him well at the time it was it got

661
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:03,759
rather difficult and because of the way

662
00:32:11,779 --> 00:32:07,570
I was working and because of my position

663
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:11,789
I had a very high up administrative

664
00:32:17,999 --> 00:32:15,490
directorial position and I was allowed

665
00:32:20,930 --> 00:32:18,009
to take off anytime I wanted

666
00:32:23,850 --> 00:32:20,940
and I spent week after week after week

667
00:32:24,390 --> 00:32:23,860
four or five days a week I would travel

668
00:32:27,180 --> 00:32:24,400
all over

669
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:27,190
the country I dug into archeology

670
00:32:32,490 --> 00:32:28,960
textbooks which was something totally

671
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:32,500
new to me I pulled out old maps I would

672
00:32:36,990 --> 00:32:34,480
go to areas figure out where these were

673
00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:37,000
and go to them there was no GPS then of

674
00:32:41,220 --> 00:32:39,910
course and archaeologists really don't

675
00:32:44,580 --> 00:32:41,230
want you to know where a lot of these

676
00:32:47,010 --> 00:32:44,590
sites are I don't think I don't think

677
00:32:50,790 --> 00:32:47,020
the archaeologists care to know where

678
00:32:52,140 --> 00:32:50,800
they are well that they don't really and

679
00:32:54,450 --> 00:32:52,150
they don't want people to know where

680
00:32:57,180 --> 00:32:54,460
they are today and in a few moments I'll

681
00:32:59,100 --> 00:32:57,190
get to I know a lot of mainstream

682
00:33:02,490 --> 00:32:59,110
archaeologists I'm friends with quite a

683
00:33:05,370 --> 00:33:02,500
few they some of them cannot do it

684
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:05,380
openly they believe in a lot of things

685
00:33:11,850 --> 00:33:07,210
Maria said a few minutes ago about

686
00:33:14,580 --> 00:33:11,860
energies and subtle energies and water

687
00:33:16,980 --> 00:33:14,590
sources being very important and rituals

688
00:33:19,140 --> 00:33:16,990
that were being done all that relates

689
00:33:22,020 --> 00:33:19,150
but that's how my interest in mountains

690
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:22,030
started and it really came out of

691
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:24,490
nowhere I started this project and I

692
00:33:28,550 --> 00:33:26,410
started accumulating thousands and

693
00:33:31,140 --> 00:33:28,560
thousands of pictures of Indian mounds

694
00:33:33,270 --> 00:33:31,150
every archaeologist I've ever talked to

695
00:33:35,070 --> 00:33:33,280
said you guys meeting my wife and I have

696
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:35,080
been to more Native American Indian

697
00:33:39,300 --> 00:33:36,810
mound sites than any living

698
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:39,310
archaeologists today or any in the past

699
00:33:43,470 --> 00:33:41,290
and the reason is the ones in the past

700
00:33:45,180 --> 00:33:43,480
couldn't get to that many and the ones

701
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:45,190
today don't have any money they can't

702
00:33:49,980 --> 00:33:47,440
afford to do it we've been very

703
00:33:52,740 --> 00:33:49,990
fortunate in that we have been able to

704
00:33:55,790 --> 00:33:52,750
take off lots of time and spend lots of

705
00:33:58,530 --> 00:33:55,800
money traveling to these sites and also

706
00:34:00,540 --> 00:33:58,540
the same thing with the so called search

707
00:34:02,820 --> 00:34:00,550
for Atlantis and the Bermuda Triangle we

708
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:02,830
did all that on her own was all self

709
00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:04,240
funded and we've just been very

710
00:34:09,149 --> 00:34:06,910
fortunate in a lot of ways but most

711
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:09,159
people just don't have time to do it but

712
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:11,290
finding them was not easy today it's

713
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:14,110
quite a bit easier but it took huge

714
00:34:20,130 --> 00:34:17,200
amounts of time in libraries digging

715
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:20,140
through old books and it just became a

716
00:34:24,899 --> 00:34:22,000
deeper and deeper project and I'll say

717
00:34:27,630 --> 00:34:24,909
this when I started actually writing the

718
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:27,640
encyclopedia which it took I didn't

719
00:34:37,050 --> 00:34:32,250
begin writing it until around 2004 and

720
00:34:38,099 --> 00:34:37,060
in 2007 after I got to about two to

721
00:34:40,829 --> 00:34:38,109
three hundred pay

722
00:34:44,460 --> 00:34:40,839
and had like a thousand sites in it I

723
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:44,470
just in my mind I went oh my god this is

724
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:46,960
so much work I don't really want to

725
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:49,599
finish this thing I just don't want to

726
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:51,249
finish it it's too much work and I'll

727
00:34:56,009 --> 00:34:54,159
never make any money from it I mean I

728
00:35:00,479 --> 00:34:56,019
have other things other books that I can

729
00:35:02,579 --> 00:35:00,489
write that do sell pretty well and I as

730
00:35:04,529 --> 00:35:02,589
soon as I made that decision in my mind

731
00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:04,539
that I wasn't going to do it I started

732
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:08,529
having dreams of Native Americans some

733
00:35:13,319 --> 00:35:10,690
of whom I've met over the years that

734
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:13,329
were very angry with me oh and it

735
00:35:16,829 --> 00:35:14,890
disturbed my sleep again they were

736
00:35:18,329 --> 00:35:16,839
telling me you've got to do this and

737
00:35:21,049 --> 00:35:18,339
they said we're going to come back and

738
00:35:24,569 --> 00:35:21,059
bother you until you get this thing done

739
00:35:27,930 --> 00:35:24,579
so I decided then alright I'll do it and

740
00:35:31,739 --> 00:35:27,940
then they that the dream ceased and I

741
00:35:35,759 --> 00:35:31,749
finished that book in 2009 and I updated

742
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:35,769
it this year well last year 2006 well

743
00:35:42,690 --> 00:35:38,170
Gregg let me let me let me ask you this

744
00:35:44,849 --> 00:35:42,700
now we say Indian burial mounds not all

745
00:35:47,130 --> 00:35:44,859
burial mounds well okay that's that's

746
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:47,140
the point I wanted to make here where

747
00:35:52,259 --> 00:35:49,839
they I mean some of them have unusual

748
00:35:55,140 --> 00:35:52,269
shape still I am I correct I mean you're

749
00:35:56,549 --> 00:35:55,150
very correct on that I don't I don't

750
00:35:58,380 --> 00:35:56,559
know that much about it but I have

751
00:36:00,900 --> 00:35:58,390
looked into some of your research and

752
00:36:04,109 --> 00:36:00,910
you know on the the subject because you

753
00:36:07,620 --> 00:36:04,119
are the master of the Indian bout well

754
00:36:11,579 --> 00:36:07,630
that's that's becoming true in many ways

755
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:11,589
but America North America has the most

756
00:36:19,499 --> 00:36:15,450
extensive and complex geometric

757
00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:19,509
earthworks found in the world the most

758
00:36:26,130 --> 00:36:23,049
extensive site is a 56 mile long site

759
00:36:30,180 --> 00:36:26,140
that begins in Newark Ohio and it

760
00:36:33,059 --> 00:36:30,190
extends to Chillicothe Ohio a 56 mile

761
00:36:35,460 --> 00:36:33,069
line of them those are continuous that

762
00:36:38,609 --> 00:36:35,470
they go that 56 miles long in Newark

763
00:36:40,829 --> 00:36:38,619
Ohio there is a gigantic circle it's

764
00:36:43,259 --> 00:36:40,839
flat ground it's a gigantic circle

765
00:36:46,859 --> 00:36:43,269
formed with walls of earth 15 feet high

766
00:36:50,099 --> 00:36:46,869
it encloses 20 acres and it's attached

767
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:50,109
to a gigantic octagon formed with outer

768
00:36:56,250 --> 00:36:51,730
walls of earth that Inc

769
00:37:00,180 --> 00:36:56,260
50 acres inside of that octagon r8

770
00:37:03,390 --> 00:37:00,190
truncated pyramid that then connects to

771
00:37:05,660 --> 00:37:03,400
a a circular earthwork that would be

772
00:37:09,839 --> 00:37:05,670
called in England a henge that is

773
00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:09,849
identical to Avery it has an outer wall

774
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:13,510
and an inner moat the outer wall is nine

775
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:16,000
feet tall of our perfect circle nine

776
00:37:22,349 --> 00:37:19,359
feet tall and the moat is seven to nine

777
00:37:25,290 --> 00:37:22,359
feet deep inside of it it has one

778
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:25,300
opening in the very middle it has a huge

779
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:28,810
bird effigy of an eagle

780
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:31,599
and that that connects to all of these

781
00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:34,810
parallel lines of earth it's it's an

782
00:37:40,859 --> 00:37:37,510
incredible sight America had probably a

783
00:37:42,359 --> 00:37:40,869
million mounds easily a million now more

784
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:42,369
than half of those were what you would

785
00:37:47,220 --> 00:37:45,040
call relatively small conical burial

786
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:47,230
mounds kind of look like the top of an

787
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:50,320
ice cream cone those can get huge some

788
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,450
of those got up to 70 and 80 feet tall

789
00:37:58,050 --> 00:37:54,960
and some of those had literally

790
00:38:01,020 --> 00:37:58,060
thousands of skeletal remains in them a

791
00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:01,030
lot of them had hundreds but a few had

792
00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:03,730
literally thousands the largest mound in

793
00:38:07,650 --> 00:38:06,310
America is in Cahokia Illinois which is

794
00:38:10,620 --> 00:38:07,660
just on the other side of the river

795
00:38:13,109 --> 00:38:10,630
Mississippi River from st. Louis it is

796
00:38:17,970 --> 00:38:13,119
as tall as a 10 story building it's 100

797
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:17,980
feet tall it's on a base 14 acres which

798
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:20,170
is one acre larger than the Great

799
00:38:28,260 --> 00:38:23,770
Pyramid to tell you the size of it back

800
00:38:31,260 --> 00:38:28,270
in 1987 five thousand people got up on

801
00:38:34,109 --> 00:38:31,270
the top of it and held a ceremony at its

802
00:38:36,420 --> 00:38:34,119
base there is some and down inside of it

803
00:38:39,930 --> 00:38:36,430
there is a huge stone structure that's

804
00:38:44,309 --> 00:38:39,940
that is 75 feet long and some 30 feet

805
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:44,319
high that is now do the do the Native

806
00:38:49,230 --> 00:38:47,290
Americans I mean do I are do they see

807
00:38:51,359 --> 00:38:49,240
some significance in this I mean do they

808
00:38:53,220 --> 00:38:51,369
know actually they a lot of these sites

809
00:38:56,460 --> 00:38:53,230
are still used by Native Americans for

810
00:38:59,460 --> 00:38:56,470
rituals absolutely in fact you will that

811
00:39:02,640 --> 00:38:59,470
has caused the National Park Service and

812
00:39:03,610 --> 00:39:02,650
state parks that some of these sites are

813
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:03,620
at

814
00:39:08,380 --> 00:39:05,570
a world of trouble because they don't

815
00:39:11,230 --> 00:39:08,390
they try to stop them from doing rituals

816
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:11,240
there I had that happen not all that

817
00:39:17,230 --> 00:39:13,850
long ago at a site when we were trying

818
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:17,240
to do something and we were told now you

819
00:39:21,970 --> 00:39:19,040
can't do that here it's illegal it's

820
00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:21,980
against federal law but Native American

821
00:39:26,620 --> 00:39:24,110
what what what is what isn't against

822
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:26,630
federal law yeah well there you go well

823
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:28,640
it's really this thing here with the

824
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:31,490
disaster in in Puerto Rico they can't

825
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:33,530
land the ships there because of some

826
00:39:38,650 --> 00:39:36,800
bogus law I mean yeah yeah pretty good

827
00:39:40,210 --> 00:39:38,660
ships from other countries or or

828
00:39:42,490 --> 00:39:40,220
something like that that that's that's

829
00:39:44,890 --> 00:39:42,500
just insane I mean no matter where you

830
00:39:47,950 --> 00:39:44,900
go it's it's the world is insane

831
00:39:51,250 --> 00:39:47,960
by the way Puerto Rico has mounds and

832
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:51,260
large cotton large complexes of mounds

833
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:53,930
just like we do here the Puerto Rican

834
00:40:01,480 --> 00:39:56,690
government actually would I did work for

835
00:40:04,780 --> 00:40:01,490
them back in 1990 for about eight weeks

836
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:04,790
and they took me around all and a limo

837
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:07,010
they took me to all these sites around

838
00:40:11,770 --> 00:40:08,720
the island where there were Indian

839
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:11,780
mounds just amazing they were in Cuba

840
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:14,480
there all over South America actually

841
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:17,090
has the oldest ones in the world the

842
00:40:22,750 --> 00:40:18,530
oldest mounds in the world are in South

843
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:22,760
America and they go back to ten thousand

844
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:25,610
five hundred years ago now here in

845
00:40:31,870 --> 00:40:29,810
Indiana you know we we have mountains

846
00:40:34,930 --> 00:40:31,880
just you know all over the place we have

847
00:40:36,820 --> 00:40:34,940
several several state parks that are

848
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:36,830
actually you know dedicated to you know

849
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:38,330
some of the largest ones but we also

850
00:40:45,340 --> 00:40:41,290
have you know just just all kinds of

851
00:40:47,140 --> 00:40:45,350
smaller ones that are on private

852
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:47,150
property people really don't know about

853
00:40:55,420 --> 00:40:52,010
and I some of the Native Americans you

854
00:40:58,060 --> 00:40:55,430
know who trace our ancestry value like

855
00:41:02,770 --> 00:40:58,070
the Miami and some of the others you

856
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:02,780
know they they say that we may have used

857
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:06,050
them but we didn't build them well yeah

858
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:08,570
that's that's actually statements that

859
00:41:13,210 --> 00:41:10,880
you can find in books from the 1800s and

860
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:13,220
1700s there in the old Smithsonian books

861
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:16,400
too and that really goes to a culture

862
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:17,330
with amnesia

863
00:41:23,770 --> 00:41:19,760
and that term is not mine I kind of like

864
00:41:25,630 --> 00:41:23,780
it it was coined by felling by the name

865
00:41:29,340 --> 00:41:25,640
of Charles Hudson who was a an

866
00:41:30,820 --> 00:41:29,350
archaeologist Hudson and other

867
00:41:33,220 --> 00:41:30,830
archaeologists have studied very

868
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:33,230
carefully what happened and I'll throw a

869
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:35,810
number I've just just that's gonna make

870
00:41:41,710 --> 00:41:38,810
a maze any listeners you have and

871
00:41:45,010 --> 00:41:41,720
probably you guys when Columbus landed

872
00:41:48,070 --> 00:41:45,020
in 1492 which Columbus never sat foot in

873
00:41:50,770 --> 00:41:48,080
North America in his four trips he never

874
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:50,780
got to North America but when Columbus

875
00:41:58,780 --> 00:41:54,890
got here archaeologists had but really

876
00:42:02,790 --> 00:41:58,790
believe that the basic population of the

877
00:42:06,340 --> 00:42:02,800
Americas was fifty-seven million people

878
00:42:09,790 --> 00:42:06,350
it was not a that most people think of

879
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:09,800
it as a vast unexplored woodland where

880
00:42:14,050 --> 00:42:11,810
there was almost nobody here but some

881
00:42:17,470 --> 00:42:14,060
hunter-gatherers very primitive people

882
00:42:19,210 --> 00:42:17,480
but it was not that way at all the city

883
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:19,220
of Cahokia which had a hundred and

884
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:20,960
twenty mounds they know the minimum

885
00:42:24,490 --> 00:42:22,640
population of it was twenty-five

886
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:24,500
thousand had probably had up to fifty

887
00:42:28,830 --> 00:42:27,530
thousand people which at the time was

888
00:42:37,180 --> 00:42:28,840
bigger than London

889
00:42:39,370 --> 00:42:37,190
no offense man but there were these

890
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:39,380
cities all over I mean the Inca Empire

891
00:42:45,250 --> 00:42:41,810
the Incas had an army of a million

892
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:45,260
people there were 17 million people in

893
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:49,610
the population of the Inca alone it's

894
00:42:54,490 --> 00:42:51,680
the numbers of people that were in the

895
00:42:56,770 --> 00:42:54,500
Americas it's astonishing and we just

896
00:43:00,130 --> 00:42:56,780
don't recognize that but what happened

897
00:43:03,250 --> 00:43:00,140
was this by the year 1600 so you've got

898
00:43:08,380 --> 00:43:03,260
roughly a hundred years from 1500 to

899
00:43:11,140 --> 00:43:08,390
1600 90 to 95% of the population the

900
00:43:14,650 --> 00:43:11,150
indigenous populations were dead they

901
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:14,660
died and the numbers fell that far all

902
00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:17,210
the old people died they died of

903
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:18,710
diseases that were carried over

904
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:21,530
primarily by the Spanish I mean Cuba and

905
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:23,690
there's these stories about Cuba and

906
00:43:30,610 --> 00:43:26,960
Hispaniola and how literally every man

907
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:30,620
woman and child died so in the Americas

908
00:43:38,180 --> 00:43:31,200
as the

909
00:43:41,089 --> 00:43:38,190
the early 1500s they would literally

910
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:41,099
wipe out through disease and actually

911
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:42,690
they killed a lot but they didn't kill

912
00:43:48,620 --> 00:43:46,290
50 million people but that what they did

913
00:43:51,319 --> 00:43:48,630
was leave behind these diseases that the

914
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:51,329
Native Americans had virtually no

915
00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:54,570
resistance to at all things that the

916
00:43:59,810 --> 00:43:58,290
Spanish had had long had you know they'd

917
00:44:01,849 --> 00:43:59,820
long had these diseases but they had

918
00:44:05,089 --> 00:44:01,859
some resistance to him people didn't die

919
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:05,099
of chicken pox but the Native Americans

920
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,410
did and they died of all sorts of

921
00:44:12,260 --> 00:44:09,599
diseases that were carried in and so

922
00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:12,270
what was left were people who were

923
00:44:16,430 --> 00:44:14,609
trying to escape the towns in the cities

924
00:44:18,650 --> 00:44:16,440
because everybody there was dead in fact

925
00:44:21,950 --> 00:44:18,660
they the explorers that went up and down

926
00:44:24,859 --> 00:44:21,960
the Mississippi in 1700 found these

927
00:44:27,740 --> 00:44:24,869
large abandoned villages with skeletons

928
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:27,750
everywhere so the whole village would

929
00:44:33,290 --> 00:44:30,930
die off and then whoever was left they

930
00:44:35,329 --> 00:44:33,300
left because it was seen as an evil

931
00:44:37,220 --> 00:44:35,339
place and they didn't go back so when

932
00:44:39,260 --> 00:44:37,230
the first explorers started finding the

933
00:44:41,420 --> 00:44:39,270
mounds they asked the indigenous people

934
00:44:43,490 --> 00:44:41,430
the few that were there who built these

935
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:43,500
and they said we don't know we didn't do

936
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:47,010
it and that that is the amnesia you can

937
00:44:52,220 --> 00:44:49,920
you can when you destroy a culture that

938
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:52,230
doesn't have things in writing or

939
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:53,839
doesn't have the cloud to store it in

940
00:44:59,569 --> 00:44:57,119
you destroy all that knowledge and so

941
00:45:01,790 --> 00:44:59,579
they just didn't remember anymore and

942
00:45:05,059 --> 00:45:01,800
all this is is very well documented very

943
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,069
well known the ancestors of the Native

944
00:45:09,559 --> 00:45:07,680
Americans did build the mounds but the

945
00:45:11,329 --> 00:45:09,569
question then becomes who exactly were

946
00:45:13,370 --> 00:45:11,339
the ancestors of the Native Americans

947
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:13,380
and when did it when did they come over

948
00:45:19,790 --> 00:45:16,890
here and everything in that has changed

949
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:19,800
since 1997 since a lot of discoveries

950
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:22,410
then and just recent discoveries have

951
00:45:27,650 --> 00:45:25,440
changed that dramatically - that was

952
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:27,660
going to be by my next question is I

953
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:29,250
mean what we've got about three minutes

954
00:45:36,589 --> 00:45:32,810
unfortunately dollar Nets break so uh

955
00:45:38,780 --> 00:45:36,599
any estimation on when these mound

956
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:38,790
builders to actually flourished

957
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:41,010
well the mound builders in in North

958
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:43,650
America flourished from roughly 4000 BC

959
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:44,730
up to about the year

960
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:47,610
1,400 in South America they start right

961
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:49,410
now the earliest we know that they

962
00:45:56,030 --> 00:45:52,970
started as around 8,500 BC where or

963
00:45:58,220 --> 00:45:56,040
10,500 years ago but South America was

964
00:46:00,110 --> 00:45:58,230
inhabited problem I mean there's there's

965
00:46:01,970 --> 00:46:00,120
no doubt among South American

966
00:46:04,970 --> 00:46:01,980
archaeologist it was inhabited at least

967
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:04,980
fifty thousand years ago fifty thousand

968
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:06,650
years and some South American

969
00:46:11,450 --> 00:46:08,130
archaeologists have found strong

970
00:46:15,470 --> 00:46:11,460
evidence that goes back as long as two

971
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,480
hundred and fifty thousand years that's

972
00:46:21,260 --> 00:46:18,000
incredible I mean you look at the core

973
00:46:23,540 --> 00:46:21,270
the less I say exactly a article that

974
00:46:26,930 --> 00:46:23,550
came out today and science magazine said

975
00:46:28,730 --> 00:46:26,940
that in California it's very clear

976
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:28,740
evidence there were people there by one

977
00:46:32,690 --> 00:46:30,210
hundred and thirty thousand years ago

978
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:32,700
which which they weren't humans as we

979
00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:34,770
know them they actually believe they

980
00:46:40,910 --> 00:46:37,310
were either Neanderthal or Denis seven

981
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:40,920
and that's that's the rub because I know

982
00:46:44,690 --> 00:46:43,440
for generations archaeologists are you

983
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:44,700
know saying that there was there's no

984
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:47,280
evidence that there was any you know

985
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:49,890
subspecies of humans you know occupation

986
00:46:53,870 --> 00:46:52,050
occupying the the North and South

987
00:46:57,470 --> 00:46:53,880
American continent and that that's

988
00:47:00,110 --> 00:46:57,480
actually the true in that that's what

989
00:47:03,020 --> 00:47:00,120
they've written but there are ten twelve

990
00:47:05,870 --> 00:47:03,030
reports Neanderthal remains found in the

991
00:47:07,070 --> 00:47:05,880
Americas archeologists say well they're

992
00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:07,080
not in the Andrew falls and they've

993
00:47:12,410 --> 00:47:10,110
never tested them and now they can

994
00:47:16,190 --> 00:47:12,420
because the laws preclude testing any

995
00:47:17,780 --> 00:47:16,200
Native American remains and then the

996
00:47:19,730 --> 00:47:17,790
loss preclude digging into the mounds

997
00:47:22,250 --> 00:47:19,740
now you can't do the archaeologists

998
00:47:24,530 --> 00:47:22,260
can't even dig into mounds anymore which

999
00:47:27,470 --> 00:47:24,540
which is bizarre if you think about it

1000
00:47:29,950 --> 00:47:27,480
it's just destroyed their field hmm well

1001
00:47:32,300 --> 00:47:29,960
I mean considering that so many of them

1002
00:47:36,650 --> 00:47:32,310
over the years have been destroyed by

1003
00:47:39,980 --> 00:47:36,660
farmers and you know and and the like so

1004
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:39,990
it's unfortunate that nothing further

1005
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:42,450
can be done with them but we're gonna

1006
00:47:47,300 --> 00:47:44,610
have to leave it at that because we are

1007
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:47,310
at the top of the hour break so when we

1008
00:47:51,250 --> 00:47:48,570
come back we will continue our

1009
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:51,260
conversation with dr. Greg little and

1010
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:54,090
Maria with Wheatley and you are

1011
00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:56,640
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1012
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1013
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1014
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1015
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1016
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:25,130
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1017
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1018
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1019
00:48:38,770 --> 00:48:34,940
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1020
00:48:43,150 --> 00:48:38,780
dimensions it's time to take back the

1021
00:48:46,420 --> 00:48:43,160
night last night now your electrifying

1022
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:46,430
hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

1023
00:48:53,110 --> 00:48:51,290
Beckley and Tim Schwartz welcome back to

1024
00:48:55,420 --> 00:48:53,120
the second hour of exploring the bizarre

1025
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:55,430
I'm Tim Schwartz and tonight we are

1026
00:49:01,750 --> 00:48:58,370
talking with Maria Whitley and dr. Greg

1027
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:01,760
little and there's just so many subjects

1028
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:04,400
that I know Tim and myself want to want

1029
00:49:07,630 --> 00:49:06,770
to cover so let's let's get right back

1030
00:49:12,670 --> 00:49:07,640
into it

1031
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:12,680
so Maria I wanted to ask you about the

1032
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:16,160
elongated skulls of Stonehenge now why

1033
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:17,330
don't you tell us a little bit about

1034
00:49:23,230 --> 00:49:20,450
that yes I mean Stonehenge has had many

1035
00:49:27,220 --> 00:49:23,240
different phases and in what's called

1036
00:49:29,740 --> 00:49:27,230
phase one of Stonehenge it was quite a

1037
00:49:32,350 --> 00:49:29,750
different monuments that had 56 blue

1038
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:32,360
stones in a very large circle surrounded

1039
00:49:37,450 --> 00:49:35,810
by a type of henge it was a ditch on the

1040
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:37,460
inside a mount and a ditch on the

1041
00:49:41,820 --> 00:49:39,530
outside as well it was very different to

1042
00:49:43,570 --> 00:49:41,830
the henge that Greg was talking about

1043
00:49:46,660 --> 00:49:43,580
all like Avery

1044
00:49:50,250 --> 00:49:46,670
so that was phase one it's called a

1045
00:49:54,430 --> 00:49:50,260
Neolithic monuments and in that era the

1046
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:54,440
ancients used to make mounds very long

1047
00:50:00,130 --> 00:49:56,480
mounds we call them over here or long

1048
00:50:02,140 --> 00:50:00,140
barrows some can be very very large and

1049
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:02,150
one of the largest in the world are

1050
00:50:06,670 --> 00:50:04,250
actually certainly in northwest Europe

1051
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:06,680
is located on the Salisbury Plain which

1052
00:50:11,710 --> 00:50:09,440
is situated it's all about five or so

1053
00:50:15,010 --> 00:50:11,720
miles from Stonehenge it was a gigantic

1054
00:50:17,380 --> 00:50:15,020
a long mound some of the long mounds did

1055
00:50:19,300 --> 00:50:17,390
contain burials some didn't contain

1056
00:50:23,830 --> 00:50:19,310
burials so you have lots of different

1057
00:50:25,810 --> 00:50:23,840
types of mounds in the UK and I in

1058
00:50:28,300 --> 00:50:25,820
started to investigate through dowsing

1059
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:28,310
actually the different mound

1060
00:50:33,250 --> 00:50:31,040
along the sorcery plane and I kept

1061
00:50:36,210 --> 00:50:33,260
coming to one of the largest and I

1062
00:50:39,490 --> 00:50:36,220
investigated through antiquarian reports

1063
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:39,500
the type of you know interments the

1064
00:50:44,650 --> 00:50:41,200
people that were buried in the mounds

1065
00:50:46,540 --> 00:50:44,660
and I came across the the largest Barrow

1066
00:50:49,450 --> 00:50:46,550
contained just one person there's a

1067
00:50:51,700 --> 00:50:49,460
primary burial and it was a woman so I

1068
00:50:55,230 --> 00:50:51,710
decided to investigate it and that led

1069
00:50:57,550 --> 00:50:55,240
me to Cambridge University and the

1070
00:51:01,540 --> 00:50:57,560
antiquarians were always describing the

1071
00:51:03,550 --> 00:51:01,550
long scold people and when I saw her

1072
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:03,560
skull at Cambridge University it was

1073
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:06,800
very very long not like the kind of cone

1074
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:09,680
heads of Peru but still the long scold

1075
00:51:16,450 --> 00:51:13,010
people of Europe and then after a while

1076
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:16,460
and much research I found out that the

1077
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:19,520
barrows the long barrows that surrounded

1078
00:51:25,780 --> 00:51:22,250
Stonehenge they were all murder victims

1079
00:51:27,940 --> 00:51:25,790
in there so the elongated people at some

1080
00:51:29,710 --> 00:51:27,950
point of phrase wand Stonehenge

1081
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:29,720
roundabout sort of five and a half

1082
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:33,530
thousand years ago had been murdered so

1083
00:51:38,340 --> 00:51:35,450
their their story is just kind of

1084
00:51:41,230 --> 00:51:38,350
emerging through through my my research

1085
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:41,240
now what you say would you say murdered

1086
00:51:45,100 --> 00:51:43,370
I mean are we talking about like

1087
00:51:49,180 --> 00:51:45,110
invasion from a you know like a

1088
00:51:53,020 --> 00:51:49,190
neighboring tribe or sacrifice or just

1089
00:51:55,690 --> 00:51:53,030
you know what are you referring to Sodom

1090
00:51:59,050 --> 00:51:55,700
showed defense wounds so they and one

1091
00:52:01,150 --> 00:51:59,060
was beheaded at Stonehenge there was one

1092
00:52:04,060 --> 00:52:01,160
Barrow for example called Bowles burrow

1093
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:04,070
which is in the military area because we

1094
00:52:08,460 --> 00:52:06,050
must remember Stonehenge is surrounded

1095
00:52:10,900 --> 00:52:08,470
by military establishment after military

1096
00:52:13,780 --> 00:52:10,910
establishment and some areas of the

1097
00:52:17,860 --> 00:52:13,790
Salisbury Plain you can't have access to

1098
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:17,870
it's just owned run by the military so

1099
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:20,000
on the the military side of the

1100
00:52:23,860 --> 00:52:21,650
Salisbury Plain you have Bowles Barrow

1101
00:52:26,740 --> 00:52:23,870
and that contained round about sort of

1102
00:52:29,820 --> 00:52:26,750
25 males of all different ages young

1103
00:52:33,310 --> 00:52:29,830
boys to older men men in their prime

1104
00:52:36,310 --> 00:52:33,320
predominantly that were all murdered so

1105
00:52:38,740 --> 00:52:36,320
it seems that there was not there must

1106
00:52:41,049 --> 00:52:38,750
have been some clash at some point and

1107
00:52:44,140 --> 00:52:41,059
it's interesting to note

1108
00:52:46,959 --> 00:52:44,150
in the research that I did that the long

1109
00:52:50,890 --> 00:52:46,969
barrows contained long scold people and

1110
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:50,900
then round about 2500 BC if we use

1111
00:52:57,429 --> 00:52:54,079
Orthodox Dayton system the culture

1112
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:57,439
changed it went to creating much more

1113
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:00,319
round earth stone circles and round

1114
00:53:06,729 --> 00:53:03,890
barrows akin to the ones in Ohio or very

1115
00:53:09,489 --> 00:53:06,739
similar to those in there in that part

1116
00:53:13,089 --> 00:53:09,499
of America but they only contained

1117
00:53:15,249 --> 00:53:13,099
skulls of a much arounded round skulls

1118
00:53:18,159 --> 00:53:15,259
type of person so I think there maybe

1119
00:53:20,829 --> 00:53:18,169
have been a clash between the long scold

1120
00:53:25,739 --> 00:53:20,839
people of the Salisbury Plain and the

1121
00:53:29,699 --> 00:53:25,749
the round scold people when all we see

1122
00:53:34,469 --> 00:53:29,709
throughout history all across the planet

1123
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:34,479
the same kind of you know elongating of

1124
00:53:46,269 --> 00:53:42,400
skulls usually by boarding babies and

1125
00:53:48,699 --> 00:53:46,279
were the elongated skulls found in that

1126
00:53:53,579 --> 00:53:48,709
area you know brought about the same way

1127
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:53,589
or was this a you know a natural

1128
00:53:55,929 --> 00:53:55,249
circumstance they were that they were

1129
00:53:58,839 --> 00:53:55,939
born that way

1130
00:54:00,849 --> 00:53:58,849
or does anybody really know that's a

1131
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:00,859
really good question and to be truthful

1132
00:54:07,209 --> 00:54:04,400
that hasn't been addressed me look they

1133
00:54:09,039 --> 00:54:07,219
look like they are you know a long scold

1134
00:54:11,229 --> 00:54:09,049
race and if you have look across

1135
00:54:13,509 --> 00:54:11,239
prehistoric Europe to the the French

1136
00:54:15,819 --> 00:54:13,519
monuments and beyond in Sardinia and

1137
00:54:18,519 --> 00:54:15,829
places like that they do seem to be long

1138
00:54:20,799 --> 00:54:18,529
scaled which and Malta was reported to

1139
00:54:22,839 --> 00:54:20,809
have long scold people as well so it's

1140
00:54:24,819 --> 00:54:22,849
probably you know quite a natural race

1141
00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:24,829
but there was evidence from one Long

1142
00:54:30,370 --> 00:54:27,049
Barrow on the source we planed that said

1143
00:54:33,309 --> 00:54:30,380
of boarding which was recorded by an

1144
00:54:35,289 --> 00:54:33,319
antiquarian so it could have been that

1145
00:54:37,299 --> 00:54:35,299
some people were bored in their heads to

1146
00:54:39,429 --> 00:54:37,309
look like these people because not

1147
00:54:41,589 --> 00:54:39,439
everybody in Neolithic Britain around

1148
00:54:45,159 --> 00:54:41,599
Stonehenge or Avery or any of the

1149
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:45,169
monuments went into these mounds and I

1150
00:54:48,519 --> 00:54:46,640
think that was their secondary use

1151
00:54:51,309 --> 00:54:48,529
anyway I think they're much much older

1152
00:54:53,229 --> 00:54:51,319
and they were reused by the Neolithic

1153
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:53,239
people five and a half thousand years

1154
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:55,330
ago to place the long skulls in

1155
00:55:00,330 --> 00:54:56,890
long bones in I think they actually

1156
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:00,340
predate that personally and go back much

1157
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:02,770
much further but not everybody went into

1158
00:55:05,130 --> 00:55:04,570
these mounds there was a lot of flat

1159
00:55:08,670 --> 00:55:05,140
graves

1160
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:08,680
so it's presumed that the elite went

1161
00:55:13,620 --> 00:55:11,680
into these mounds like the [\h__\h] her

1162
00:55:16,860 --> 00:55:13,630
royalty or high priests or high

1163
00:55:21,330 --> 00:55:16,870
precesses so they just a fraction of the

1164
00:55:26,910 --> 00:55:21,340
the much wider community oh yeah that's

1165
00:55:29,340 --> 00:55:26,920
always the case isn't it that's right

1166
00:55:30,500 --> 00:55:29,350
yeah nothing the more things change the

1167
00:55:34,110 --> 00:55:30,510
more they stay the same

1168
00:55:36,810 --> 00:55:34,120
no something very similar can I jump in

1169
00:55:39,540 --> 00:55:36,820
a sec oh yes please do okay very similar

1170
00:55:43,980 --> 00:55:39,550
in America in the Idina Europe mounds

1171
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:43,990
the Idina mounds are much older roughly

1172
00:55:50,250 --> 00:55:47,530
a thousand BC to 2000 BC they're almost

1173
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:50,260
always conical mounds that had a moat

1174
00:55:56,550 --> 00:55:53,770
around them and at the in the base of

1175
00:55:58,920 --> 00:55:56,560
those mounds was almost always a called

1176
00:56:01,680 --> 00:55:58,930
a royal tomb but the truth is they they

1177
00:56:04,110 --> 00:56:01,690
generally were not the chieftains they

1178
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:04,120
were the priests and the Shaymin and

1179
00:56:13,980 --> 00:56:10,050
they those Adina tombs are the source of

1180
00:56:16,290 --> 00:56:13,990
numerous skeletons that were recovered

1181
00:56:19,170 --> 00:56:16,300
by the Smithsonian archaeologists this

1182
00:56:23,220 --> 00:56:19,180
is mainstream archaeology that were 7 to

1183
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:23,230
8 feet in height enormous ly tall people

1184
00:56:29,100 --> 00:56:26,370
far too tall

1185
00:56:32,430 --> 00:56:29,110
they just didn't fit people at that time

1186
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:32,440
average 5 feet 4 inches in height that's

1187
00:56:37,410 --> 00:56:33,760
known that the that's what the

1188
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:37,420
population measured but in out of these

1189
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:39,850
Edina mounds for example the Smithsonian

1190
00:56:46,110 --> 00:56:42,850
found 17 of the 7 foot to 8 foot tall

1191
00:56:49,530 --> 00:56:46,120
skeletons from Edina mounds and most of

1192
00:56:53,220 --> 00:56:49,540
these were found in West Virginia along

1193
00:56:54,990 --> 00:56:53,230
the Kanawha River and the Ohio River so

1194
00:56:59,090 --> 00:56:55,000
it's it's something that's very similar

1195
00:57:04,320 --> 00:56:59,100
to what has been found in in England hey

1196
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:04,330
Maria who was the high Queen well that

1197
00:57:08,290 --> 00:57:06,370
was the the lady that came out of the

1198
00:57:11,060 --> 00:57:08,300
the largest long mound on

1199
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:11,070
Salisbury Plain and what she could have

1200
00:57:16,580 --> 00:57:13,890
been a high priest ass high queen nobody

1201
00:57:19,070 --> 00:57:16,590
really knows that but she she was kind

1202
00:57:21,050 --> 00:57:19,080
of ceremonially placed within within

1203
00:57:24,350 --> 00:57:21,060
that long man so I think she must have

1204
00:57:27,890 --> 00:57:24,360
her generated some very you know respect

1205
00:57:30,770 --> 00:57:27,900
and int in the area of her era we have

1206
00:57:34,580 --> 00:57:30,780
some of the most intriguing earthworks

1207
00:57:37,610 --> 00:57:34,590
in England for example one of which

1208
00:57:40,310 --> 00:57:37,620
stood originally in front of stonehenge

1209
00:57:42,170 --> 00:57:40,320
called the cursus monument and to him to

1210
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:42,180
visualize what the cursus monument

1211
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:44,640
looked like we imagined some very tall

1212
00:57:51,650 --> 00:57:47,250
earthworks made of chalk chalk block

1213
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:51,660
going for 1.75 miles long that stood in

1214
00:57:57,260 --> 00:57:53,760
front of Stonehenge with chalk walls

1215
00:57:59,830 --> 00:57:57,270
probably about between six and ten feet

1216
00:58:02,510 --> 00:57:59,840
high and they created these massive

1217
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:02,520
cursus monuments and one of which in

1218
00:58:08,300 --> 00:58:06,690
Dorset is seven miles long so they could

1219
00:58:12,140 --> 00:58:08,310
they created some of the most very

1220
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:12,150
sophisticated monuments long before the

1221
00:58:17,900 --> 00:58:16,290
henge monument came into being and Greg

1222
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:17,910
was just saying about the heights the

1223
00:58:23,630 --> 00:58:21,450
height of this queen or priestess with

1224
00:58:26,270 --> 00:58:23,640
the elongated skull that came from the

1225
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:26,280
long mound she was about five feet four

1226
00:58:31,550 --> 00:58:29,370
inches tall they were quite short but in

1227
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:31,560
my research of looking at antiquarian

1228
00:58:38,270 --> 00:58:34,730
reports of Stonehenge from a much later

1229
00:58:40,130 --> 00:58:38,280
mound which is we have round barrows

1230
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:40,140
aren't just conical if you look at a

1231
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:42,690
barrow the the ones that are very large

1232
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:44,610
they're called bail barrows over here

1233
00:58:49,550 --> 00:58:47,280
they probably contained more males and

1234
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:49,560
the ball barrows which a bit more

1235
00:58:54,350 --> 00:58:52,170
rounder contained females than we had

1236
00:58:59,660 --> 00:58:54,360
barrows that go into the ground like

1237
00:59:01,730 --> 00:58:59,670
pond barrows and from one of the roundel

1238
00:59:04,970 --> 00:59:01,740
of the later Bronze Age round barrows

1239
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:04,980
around Stonehenge came a 13-foot

1240
00:59:09,530 --> 00:59:07,650
skeleton so there there what that was

1241
00:59:11,930 --> 00:59:09,540
post was very tall but that was kind of

1242
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:11,940
and there was some very large skeletons

1243
00:59:19,340 --> 00:59:14,880
found outside of the Salisbury Plain

1244
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:19,350
well that's a 13 is room 13 I mean it

1245
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:22,050
defies logic almost

1246
00:59:26,940 --> 00:59:24,160
absolutely it is certainly defied the

1247
00:59:30,839 --> 00:59:26,950
antiquarian that put it on to the dining

1248
00:59:33,900 --> 00:59:30,849
room table at the time to measure is it

1249
00:59:37,620 --> 00:59:33,910
is it on display somewhere know that

1250
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:37,630
there's only an antiquarian report about

1251
00:59:43,470 --> 00:59:41,170
that skeleton it where it is I've not

1252
00:59:46,140 --> 00:59:43,480
been able to track it down the the

1253
00:59:47,790 --> 00:59:46,150
heights of the other Bronze Age people

1254
00:59:50,700 --> 00:59:47,800
that's about from four and a half

1255
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:50,710
thousand years ago they were just

1256
00:59:58,620 --> 00:59:55,290
described as very tall or stout by the

1257
01:00:00,780 --> 00:59:58,630
antiquarian such as Sir Richard hor and

1258
01:00:04,140 --> 01:00:00,790
many many others William stutely John

1259
01:00:06,270 --> 01:00:04,150
Aubrey who recorded them and where they

1260
01:00:07,950 --> 01:00:06,280
are again you have to try and track them

1261
01:00:10,109 --> 01:00:07,960
down a lot of the skeletons from

1262
01:00:13,620 --> 01:00:10,119
Stonehenge and Avery went see Eva

1263
01:00:15,630 --> 01:00:13,630
Cambridge or Oxford but even then trying

1264
01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:15,640
to track them down is very difficult

1265
01:00:21,810 --> 01:00:18,880
well no when you say Stonehenge how

1266
01:00:25,770 --> 01:00:21,820
close to Stonehenge were they were they

1267
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:25,780
discovered 13 foot giant was according

1268
01:00:31,710 --> 01:00:28,330
to antiquarian report within two miles

1269
01:00:34,020 --> 01:00:31,720
of Stonehenge the other large people are

1270
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:34,030
in a place were interned in a place

1271
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:37,570
called wood Yeates which is probably

1272
01:00:42,859 --> 01:00:40,330
about sort of ten ten fifteen miles

1273
01:00:46,260 --> 01:00:42,869
outside of Stonehenge

1274
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:46,270
now you know we had a fellow here in the

1275
01:00:51,690 --> 01:00:48,490
States who passed away a couple years

1276
01:00:54,329 --> 01:00:51,700
ago by named Lloyd Pye and he had done a

1277
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:54,339
research on these elongated skulls and

1278
01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:57,130
he came to the conclusion at least the

1279
01:01:03,180 --> 01:00:59,760
one that he had was an extraterrestrial

1280
01:01:05,210 --> 01:01:03,190
origin and I know they tried to do some

1281
01:01:08,339 --> 01:01:05,220
DNA testing on it but I don't know

1282
01:01:13,470 --> 01:01:08,349
whether before he passed away any of

1283
01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:13,480
that was ever completed has there have

1284
01:01:18,930 --> 01:01:15,839
been any speculation that the this

1285
01:01:22,859 --> 01:01:18,940
elongated skull people may not have been

1286
01:01:24,990 --> 01:01:22,869
of the earth a lot of people do do

1287
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:25,000
suggest that they could be aliens I mean

1288
01:01:28,589 --> 01:01:26,530
she looked very human to me but I've

1289
01:01:30,690 --> 01:01:28,599
never met an alien to compare with and

1290
01:01:34,890 --> 01:01:30,700
I'm very very open-minded

1291
01:01:35,700 --> 01:01:34,900
yes but across Europe I think that if

1292
01:01:37,530 --> 01:01:35,710
you start

1293
01:01:41,700 --> 01:01:37,540
to do the research there was an or it

1294
01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:41,710
was a lot of long scold people I each of

1295
01:01:49,730 --> 01:01:45,609
Egypt - right absolutely I mean in Egypt

1296
01:01:53,490 --> 01:01:49,740
in Malta in Sardinia in France it was

1297
01:01:56,130 --> 01:01:53,500
common to have long sculls same in

1298
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:56,140
Americas North and South America ancient

1299
01:01:59,460 --> 01:01:57,250
cultures same thing

1300
01:02:04,290 --> 01:01:59,470
well now what what is the current

1301
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:04,300
thinking by the the academic community

1302
01:02:09,359 --> 01:02:06,450
on this I mean is this something they

1303
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:09,369
would like to it just do away with it

1304
01:02:14,339 --> 01:02:11,770
not acknowledge or do they acknowledge

1305
01:02:17,940 --> 01:02:14,349
that there are these elongated skull

1306
01:02:21,180 --> 01:02:17,950
people well I went to Cambridge sorry

1307
01:02:24,060 --> 01:02:21,190
carry on no go ahead please when I went

1308
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:24,070
to Cambridge University the the skulls

1309
01:02:29,359 --> 01:02:26,530
with the long skulls hadn't been

1310
01:02:32,130 --> 01:02:29,369
actually seen since the 1930s

1311
01:02:33,839 --> 01:02:32,140
nobody had realized until my research

1312
01:02:36,420 --> 01:02:33,849
that though that they these people were

1313
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:36,430
surrounding Stonehenge so it's almost

1314
01:02:41,700 --> 01:02:38,890
like they had been forgotten about now

1315
01:02:46,170 --> 01:02:41,710
do you have any photographs of the bones

1316
01:02:48,570 --> 01:02:46,180
in the skulls or yes I took several folk

1317
01:02:50,670 --> 01:02:48,580
photographs when I was at Cambridge and

1318
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:50,680
since then I've tracked down quite a few

1319
01:02:58,560 --> 01:02:53,890
and quite a few giants as well this is a

1320
01:03:01,320 --> 01:02:58,570
this is amazing stuff I I mean it it is

1321
01:03:03,900 --> 01:03:01,330
it's just like I mean I don't expect it

1322
01:03:05,790 --> 01:03:03,910
to be on the the front page well it

1323
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:05,800
should be in the New York Times I mean I

1324
01:03:11,250 --> 01:03:07,570
don't know if on the front page

1325
01:03:14,270 --> 01:03:11,260
have there been articles written on this

1326
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:14,280
and the in the mainstream press or in

1327
01:03:20,550 --> 01:03:16,450
archeological journals if there are such

1328
01:03:23,390 --> 01:03:20,560
a thing you know no I I did write

1329
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:23,400
several for a prestigious British

1330
01:03:30,210 --> 01:03:26,290
archaeological magazine but it got

1331
01:03:32,099 --> 01:03:30,220
rejected Jesus so there's not much

1332
01:03:34,859 --> 01:03:32,109
support but that said when I gave a

1333
01:03:37,260 --> 01:03:34,869
lecture on the long skull people of

1334
01:03:39,870 --> 01:03:37,270
Stonehenge a top archaeologist was in

1335
01:03:42,540 --> 01:03:39,880
the audience taking notes so perhaps

1336
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:42,550
it'll go a bit more well he'll he'll

1337
01:03:49,620 --> 01:03:45,810
take he'll take credit for the discovery

1338
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:49,630
no doubt now doctor little you

1339
01:03:54,599 --> 01:03:52,960
investigated all the this what I would

1340
01:03:58,920 --> 01:03:54,609
call alternative our archaeological

1341
01:04:01,319 --> 01:03:58,930
discoveries why is there such an attempt

1342
01:04:03,749 --> 01:04:01,329
to cover this up by the mainstream I

1343
01:04:06,539 --> 01:04:03,759
mean it's not like they're we're dealing

1344
01:04:09,059 --> 01:04:06,549
with aliens or some something so far nor

1345
01:04:11,069 --> 01:04:09,069
bizarre that it I mean with this change

1346
01:04:14,039 --> 01:04:11,079
our way of living or our thinking or

1347
01:04:19,410 --> 01:04:14,049
it's that important to these academic

1348
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:19,420
types that they keep the status quo it

1349
01:04:24,059 --> 01:04:21,970
is important to them that they maintain

1350
01:04:27,269 --> 01:04:24,069
belief systems and I've written a lot

1351
01:04:29,690 --> 01:04:27,279
about the the underlying belief system

1352
01:04:33,630 --> 01:04:29,700
and the defense mechanisms that drive

1353
01:04:37,109 --> 01:04:33,640
skepticism and the they have an

1354
01:04:39,089 --> 01:04:37,119
inability to really consider that they

1355
01:04:41,099 --> 01:04:39,099
are wrong about something

1356
01:04:44,190 --> 01:04:41,109
do they ever research anything or do

1357
01:04:48,420 --> 01:04:44,200
they just write up a I have had contact

1358
01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:48,430
with most of the big-time skeptics in

1359
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:52,720
America I have an in England and some of

1360
01:05:00,900 --> 01:04:56,410
them have been cordial to me others have

1361
01:05:03,150 --> 01:05:00,910
not been all that cordial and they don't

1362
01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:03,160
like things pointed out when they're

1363
01:05:08,370 --> 01:05:04,960
wrong let me give you an example there

1364
01:05:12,809 --> 01:05:08,380
is a big-time skeptic who is a professor

1365
01:05:14,759 --> 01:05:12,819
at in Connecticut very well-known has

1366
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:14,769
written a lot of textbooks and in one of

1367
01:05:19,859 --> 01:05:17,170
his textbooks he said the father the

1368
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:19,869
father and the of the ancient astronaut

1369
01:05:26,339 --> 01:05:22,000
theory and the very first person to ever

1370
01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:26,349
talk about it was in 1961 and his name

1371
01:05:31,559 --> 01:05:29,049
was Carl Sagan now you know that's not

1372
01:05:34,049 --> 01:05:31,569
true that he's not the father of it

1373
01:05:36,299 --> 01:05:34,059
Sagan did write an article about the sed

1374
01:05:38,430 --> 01:05:36,309
ancient astronaut theory but he's not

1375
01:05:40,349 --> 01:05:38,440
the father of the theory and he's not

1376
01:05:42,900 --> 01:05:40,359
the first person to ever talk about it I

1377
01:05:45,180 --> 01:05:42,910
mean it was it was discussed in a few

1378
01:05:48,660 --> 01:05:45,190
books in the late 40s but loads of books

1379
01:05:50,970 --> 01:05:48,670
in the early 50s oh my goodness yes and

1380
01:05:54,299 --> 01:05:50,980
but the archaeologist doesn't like that

1381
01:05:56,970 --> 01:05:54,309
he in his textbook which is used in

1382
01:05:58,589 --> 01:05:56,980
virtually all masters students in

1383
01:06:00,089 --> 01:05:58,599
archaeology in United States used that

1384
01:06:03,359 --> 01:06:00,099
textbook and they have to use that

1385
01:06:06,420 --> 01:06:03,369
textbook but he

1386
01:06:09,420 --> 01:06:06,430
they do not like to shake up the status

1387
01:06:12,239 --> 01:06:09,430
quo they were American Archaeology was

1388
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:12,249
shaken to its roots in 1997 when the

1389
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:14,650
Clovis first Theory collapsed which was

1390
01:06:23,220 --> 01:06:17,650
the idea that no one was in the Americas

1391
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:23,230
until roughly 9600 BC when the land

1392
01:06:28,739 --> 01:06:25,930
bridge between Siberian Asia and an

1393
01:06:31,559 --> 01:06:28,749
Alaska opened up its called Beringia and

1394
01:06:35,609 --> 01:06:31,569
the very first people came over then and

1395
01:06:37,789 --> 01:06:35,619
they colonized the Americas from Canada

1396
01:06:40,499 --> 01:06:37,799
all the way down to the tip of Tierra

1397
01:06:41,910 --> 01:06:40,509
Tierra del Fuego and South America and

1398
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:41,920
they did that within a few thousand

1399
01:06:47,789 --> 01:06:44,410
years that has been the theory that

1400
01:06:51,630 --> 01:06:47,799
started in the nineteen 1920s that lasts

1401
01:06:53,970 --> 01:06:51,640
until 1997 and it collapsed and since

1402
01:06:57,509 --> 01:06:53,980
then they have been shown to be wrong

1403
01:07:01,829 --> 01:06:57,519
again and again and again and in the

1404
01:07:04,829 --> 01:07:01,839
1990s archeology was dealt a blow with

1405
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:04,839
the passage of the law called NAGPRA and

1406
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:08,970
a GPRA the Native American grave

1407
01:07:16,289 --> 01:07:13,210
repatriation Act repatriation and

1408
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:16,299
preservation Act and the GPRA and it

1409
01:07:22,769 --> 01:07:20,640
required all of all museums or any

1410
01:07:26,759 --> 01:07:22,779
agencies that have ever gotten any

1411
01:07:30,479 --> 01:07:26,769
government money to send back any

1412
01:07:32,970 --> 01:07:30,489
skeletal or burial remains or burial

1413
01:07:36,089 --> 01:07:32,980
artifacts that had been excavated

1414
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:36,099
anywhere in the Americas to indigenous

1415
01:07:42,210 --> 01:07:39,730
tribes for reburial or destruction the

1416
01:07:45,059 --> 01:07:42,220
Smithsonian at the time had over 1

1417
01:07:52,049 --> 01:07:45,069
million skeletal remains various pieces

1418
01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:52,059
of skeletons and they as of 2015 is one

1419
01:07:59,279 --> 01:07:55,119
that we contacted them they had less

1420
01:08:00,779 --> 01:07:59,289
than 300 remaining and those 300 all

1421
01:08:02,519 --> 01:08:00,789
came from South America and they

1422
01:08:04,979 --> 01:08:02,529
couldn't find any one in South America

1423
01:08:06,839 --> 01:08:04,989
who would take them but they had sent

1424
01:08:08,970 --> 01:08:06,849
everything back to the Native American

1425
01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:08,980
tribes who either reburied it or burned

1426
01:08:15,180 --> 01:08:13,119
it cremated their remains and so

1427
01:08:16,550 --> 01:08:15,190
archaeologists are not allowed to dig

1428
01:08:19,700 --> 01:08:16,560
into mass

1429
01:08:21,620 --> 01:08:19,710
unless there is a road or a farmer has

1430
01:08:23,630 --> 01:08:21,630
accidentally dug into one and they found

1431
01:08:25,910 --> 01:08:23,640
burial remains but farmers don't report

1432
01:08:27,770 --> 01:08:25,920
that you've already talked about farmers

1433
01:08:30,830 --> 01:08:27,780
destroying them my wife's family has

1434
01:08:33,770 --> 01:08:30,840
loads of land in Missouri and they form

1435
01:08:36,020 --> 01:08:33,780
it and I can't tell you how many mounds

1436
01:08:38,060 --> 01:08:36,030
that their families obliterated in the

1437
01:08:41,330 --> 01:08:38,070
in probably the couple hundred years

1438
01:08:42,860 --> 01:08:41,340
that they owned that land and all up and

1439
01:08:44,510 --> 01:08:42,870
down the Mississippi River there are

1440
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:44,520
tens of thousands of these mounds that

1441
01:08:49,250 --> 01:08:47,250
were obliterated by farming but you

1442
01:08:53,210 --> 01:08:49,260
never hear anything about it now because

1443
01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:53,220
of the the illegality of finding any

1444
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:57,570
burial remains so no archeologists

1445
01:09:03,470 --> 01:09:00,000
archeology has been shaken sort of to

1446
01:09:05,540 --> 01:09:03,480
its core and now there are just major

1447
01:09:09,580 --> 01:09:05,550
arguments between North and South

1448
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:09,590
American archeologists now you have also

1449
01:09:14,300 --> 01:09:11,250
archeologists breaking from the

1450
01:09:17,420 --> 01:09:14,310
mainstream that are claiming that the

1451
01:09:21,020 --> 01:09:17,430
Clovis culture came from Europe roughly

1452
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:21,030
around 12,000 years ago they were called

1453
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:22,010
the solutrean

1454
01:09:29,480 --> 01:09:25,440
they were very tall people they were

1455
01:09:32,210 --> 01:09:29,490
centered in France and Spain and parts

1456
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:32,220
of Portugal the Cilician culture

1457
01:09:37,700 --> 01:09:35,040
disappeared around 16,000 BC and then

1458
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:37,710
sort of appeared something like it

1459
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:40,890
appeared in North America there are

1460
01:09:45,790 --> 01:09:42,810
genetics that have been done that has

1461
01:09:49,130 --> 01:09:45,800
shaken American archaeology to the core

1462
01:09:51,500 --> 01:09:49,140
it's mainly mitochondrial DNA studies

1463
01:09:53,300 --> 01:09:51,510
that have been done and it has just

1464
01:09:55,790 --> 01:09:53,310
shown that everything that they believed

1465
01:09:59,300 --> 01:09:55,800
and taught for the past 70 years is

1466
01:10:02,720 --> 01:09:59,310
wrong it's and not even an incomplete

1467
01:10:04,700 --> 01:10:02,730
story it's a wrong story I mean at least

1468
01:10:06,590 --> 01:10:04,710
you could say well we never saw the

1469
01:10:08,690 --> 01:10:06,600
whole story and we believe this and this

1470
01:10:11,330 --> 01:10:08,700
but almost everything we've been told is

1471
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:11,340
wrong it's astonishing it is true that

1472
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:14,370
people came from Asia most of the Native

1473
01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:16,560
Americans came from Asia around 10,000

1474
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:18,960
BC that is absolutely true but that's

1475
01:10:25,130 --> 01:10:21,290
that's just a little piece of the story

1476
01:10:27,260 --> 01:10:25,140
it's it's a remarkable story that

1477
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:27,270
probably goes back at least a hundred

1478
01:10:30,740 --> 01:10:29,280
thousand years if not two hundred and

1479
01:10:33,709 --> 01:10:30,750
fifty thousand years like the South

1480
01:10:37,490 --> 01:10:33,719
Americans tell us and there were

1481
01:10:39,379 --> 01:10:37,500
probably Neanderthals here and maybe

1482
01:10:42,169 --> 01:10:39,389
there's still there's still a few of

1483
01:10:45,140 --> 01:10:42,179
them yes well a lot of us had in the and

1484
01:10:49,580 --> 01:10:45,150
earth all DNA yeah the thing about the

1485
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:49,590
the elongated skulls I knew mr. PI and I

1486
01:10:53,810 --> 01:10:51,449
saw his skull and talked to him about it

1487
01:10:55,370 --> 01:10:53,820
met him at a conference and in London as

1488
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:55,380
a matter of fact that Andrew Collins was

1489
01:11:03,350 --> 01:10:59,760
there and he was he was conducting

1490
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:03,360
mitochondrial DNA testing and most of it

1491
01:11:09,260 --> 01:11:05,130
most of this DNA you see in ancient

1492
01:11:12,649 --> 01:11:09,270
remains is not using nuclear human DNA

1493
01:11:14,049 --> 01:11:12,659
will be using we're cutting back we're

1494
01:11:17,390 --> 01:11:14,059
getting cut off by that pie-in-the-sky

1495
01:11:19,580 --> 01:11:17,400
so we'll be back in just a few minutes

1496
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:19,590
with the last segment of exploring the

1497
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:21,449
bizarre but true the most fascinating

1498
01:11:37,650 --> 01:11:35,070
now back to exploring the bazaar with

1499
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:37,660
two of the most electrifying researchers

1500
01:11:47,130 --> 01:11:40,960
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

1501
01:11:48,570 --> 01:11:47,140
Lee and toasts it's a you know I thought

1502
01:11:51,420 --> 01:11:48,580
that was lightning but I think it's the

1503
01:11:58,050 --> 01:11:51,430
alien shooting us with the ray guns Tim

1504
01:12:00,930 --> 01:11:58,060
you know that they missed one of these

1505
01:12:03,180 --> 01:12:00,940
I'm going to start saying we're still

1506
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:03,190
here and we're still talking shut us up

1507
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:06,850
and and we've revealed at least half the

1508
01:12:10,290 --> 01:12:08,890
secrets of the universe there you go but

1509
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:10,300
we figure we got to keep a couple of

1510
01:12:14,490 --> 01:12:12,010
things and there are belt because people

1511
01:12:18,570 --> 01:12:14,500
won't tune in again you know if we let

1512
01:12:22,440 --> 01:12:18,580
it all out you know I try I try never to

1513
01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:22,450
let it all well we we have the show has

1514
01:12:27,330 --> 01:12:25,120
flown by this evening III swear I you

1515
01:12:29,970 --> 01:12:27,340
know I'm glued to my seat here literally

1516
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:29,980
and with the headphones on it just

1517
01:12:34,980 --> 01:12:32,530
listening to every word and I I can't

1518
01:12:36,540 --> 01:12:34,990
wait to go back and hear this in archive

1519
01:12:38,670 --> 01:12:36,550
because I always missed something you

1520
01:12:41,370 --> 01:12:38,680
know and and I figure I got to listen to

1521
01:12:43,530 --> 01:12:41,380
it at least once sometimes twice

1522
01:12:46,140 --> 01:12:43,540
sometimes they'll go back you know a

1523
01:12:47,820 --> 01:12:46,150
year later and say well you know I

1524
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:47,830
didn't even realize we did a show on

1525
01:12:53,340 --> 01:12:50,770
that subject you know it's like we've

1526
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:53,350
just carried we've done so many shows

1527
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:56,170
now it's just it bog I mean there are

1528
01:13:00,660 --> 01:12:57,520
some people that have done more shows

1529
01:13:02,850 --> 01:13:00,670
and we have but you know what we we've

1530
01:13:05,820 --> 01:13:02,860
covered a lot of topics here Tim I'm

1531
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:05,830
sure that's right why am I tell you this

1532
01:13:10,890 --> 01:13:09,250
this nights topic it's just oh I love

1533
01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:10,900
this kind of stuff and it's just I'm

1534
01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:13,600
always just fascinated yes you are an

1535
01:13:20,910 --> 01:13:17,920
ancient man Tim yes I am that's what my

1536
01:13:24,210 --> 01:13:20,920
daughter says at least well we have had

1537
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:24,220
we have had a life in the UK Maria

1538
01:13:32,340 --> 01:13:29,170
Wheatley and dr. Greg a little who I

1539
01:13:34,890 --> 01:13:32,350
want to turn the topic around to UFOs

1540
01:13:38,850 --> 01:13:34,900
because of course as he has pointed out

1541
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:38,860
I am mr. UFO and just like he is mister

1542
01:13:44,129 --> 01:13:42,010
mound and i but i do what i you know i

1543
01:13:45,510 --> 01:13:44,139
was intrigued and i didn't realize i

1544
01:13:47,250 --> 01:13:45,520
mean i knew you were in the ufos of

1545
01:13:49,290 --> 01:13:47,260
course and written about the subject but

1546
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:49,300
you were one of the earlier pioneers

1547
01:13:53,580 --> 01:13:51,489
probably maybe even going back to the

1548
01:13:56,340 --> 01:13:53,590
time of John keel if not before who

1549
01:13:59,760 --> 01:13:56,350
entertained the idea that these may not

1550
01:14:01,470 --> 01:13:59,770
be extraterrestrial crafts yeah I

1551
01:14:05,939 --> 01:14:01,480
actually had a number of conversations

1552
01:14:09,510 --> 01:14:05,949
with keel and tried to fly up I was at

1553
01:14:11,729 --> 01:14:09,520
the time flying and as a pilot had

1554
01:14:14,669 --> 01:14:11,739
recreational but not recreational as a

1555
01:14:17,910 --> 01:14:14,679
private pilot and because he was one too

1556
01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:17,920
and so I was going to fly up where he

1557
01:14:20,729 --> 01:14:19,600
was in New York and take him around try

1558
01:14:23,220 --> 01:14:20,739
and get him to come down and stay a

1559
01:14:25,290 --> 01:14:23,230
couple weeks in Memphis with me but he

1560
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:25,300
was getting close to the end and and

1561
01:14:31,379 --> 01:14:28,330
just wasn't doing really well but yes I

1562
01:14:34,340 --> 01:14:31,389
don't believe that the the UFO

1563
01:14:37,950 --> 01:14:34,350
phenomenon or the UFO seen today are

1564
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:37,960
extraterrestrial craft I think they are

1565
01:14:46,140 --> 01:14:43,170
as qu'il said sort of a psychic cycle on

1566
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:46,150
Benet ssin of psychological things earth

1567
01:14:55,590 --> 01:14:51,600
energies fit into it absolutely and a

1568
01:14:57,689 --> 01:14:55,600
number of kind of paranormal things

1569
01:14:59,780 --> 01:14:57,699
that's probably the best way to put it

1570
01:15:02,220 --> 01:14:59,790
but I don't believe that they are

1571
01:15:04,410 --> 01:15:02,230
extraterrestrial aliens at all

1572
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:04,420
I still don't I do believe it's possible

1573
01:15:09,180 --> 01:15:06,850
that we were visited in very ancient

1574
01:15:11,939 --> 01:15:09,190
times which Carl Sagan himself said

1575
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:11,949
Sagan in fact said that we we had to

1576
01:15:16,169 --> 01:15:13,770
have been that we were there's just

1577
01:15:18,689 --> 01:15:16,179
statistically it had to have happened

1578
01:15:24,810 --> 01:15:18,699
Sagan even said they probably made up to

1579
01:15:27,689 --> 01:15:24,820
ten thousand visits to earth in way back

1580
01:15:30,209 --> 01:15:27,699
in time and yet he totally poo-pooed the

1581
01:15:32,669 --> 01:15:30,219
idea of UFOs well he didn't believe they

1582
01:15:35,629 --> 01:15:32,679
were coming now and that the current

1583
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:35,639
UFOs that were seen were

1584
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:38,050
extraterrestrial crafts well he didn't

1585
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:39,250
believe that they were anything he

1586
01:15:45,750 --> 01:15:43,330
thought that they were just a total miss

1587
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:45,760
objects-- or big misconceived which is

1588
01:15:49,470 --> 01:15:48,000
certainly yeah yeah that

1589
01:15:53,070 --> 01:15:49,480
misidentification theory there's

1590
01:15:55,020 --> 01:15:53,080
somebody sees Venus or whatever

1591
01:15:57,090 --> 01:15:55,030
you know that to me they say oh you know

1592
01:15:58,650 --> 01:15:57,100
it's a 3% of your folks are legitimate

1593
01:16:01,170 --> 01:15:58,660
no I think it's a lot more than that

1594
01:16:02,790 --> 01:16:01,180
because people can tell I mean not every

1595
01:16:05,100 --> 01:16:02,800
time I mean I've even been fooled

1596
01:16:07,860 --> 01:16:05,110
probably by well I don't know if I've

1597
01:16:10,110 --> 01:16:07,870
been fooled by a Venus but you know okay

1598
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:10,120
you can't be fooled but if people think

1599
01:16:16,740 --> 01:16:12,130
they saw UFO chances are they had some

1600
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:16,750
sort of experience yeah it doesn't

1601
01:16:21,630 --> 01:16:18,970
necessarily have to be on the physical

1602
01:16:25,020 --> 01:16:21,640
plane I mean some people go into this

1603
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:25,030
kind of altered state you know they'd

1604
01:16:29,660 --> 01:16:26,890
visit the Land of Oz if you want to call

1605
01:16:31,860 --> 01:16:29,670
it that and come out of it you know

1606
01:16:34,740 --> 01:16:31,870
believing that they've been encountered

1607
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:34,750
by aliens but that's the kind of thing

1608
01:16:39,330 --> 01:16:37,360
that intrigues me that why why do people

1609
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:39,340
that have these experiences come up with

1610
01:16:43,770 --> 01:16:41,770
pretty much the same stories well that's

1611
01:16:45,900 --> 01:16:43,780
an interesting that's a very interesting

1612
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:45,910
question it probably goes into the area

1613
01:16:51,630 --> 01:16:49,330
of the psychology of it all and the the

1614
01:16:55,710 --> 01:16:51,640
neuro chemistry the brain chemistry

1615
01:16:58,080 --> 01:16:55,720
that's going on and and I could tell you

1616
01:17:00,150 --> 01:16:58,090
what I what I believe about it but there

1617
01:17:02,250 --> 01:17:00,160
is virtually no proof although the the

1618
01:17:04,020 --> 01:17:02,260
government has been doing research on

1619
01:17:05,610 --> 01:17:04,030
this for a long time and when I say the

1620
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:05,620
government I mean they're paying for it

1621
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:08,610
it's being done it many many labs around

1622
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:12,250
the country the people are generally

1623
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:14,650
given a contract research contract to

1624
01:17:19,500 --> 01:17:17,410
study one little thing a lot of this has

1625
01:17:20,940 --> 01:17:19,510
to do with plasma energy that is

1626
01:17:23,370 --> 01:17:20,950
actually they can produce in

1627
01:17:25,470 --> 01:17:23,380
laboratories a really good example that

1628
01:17:28,830 --> 01:17:25,480
I know you're familiar with the stud the

1629
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:28,840
Yakima the Yakima Indian Reservation oh

1630
01:17:35,580 --> 01:17:32,410
yes yes or mama foo or brown mountain or

1631
01:17:38,370 --> 01:17:35,590
any of these like that at at Yakima I

1632
01:17:41,550 --> 01:17:38,380
went out there in the in the early in

1633
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:41,560
the mid-90s and why I went with

1634
01:17:45,630 --> 01:17:43,690
Washington state government officials to

1635
01:17:48,570 --> 01:17:45,640
Toppenish Ridge and we spent a couple

1636
01:17:50,250 --> 01:17:48,580
nights there and I wasn't there for that

1637
01:17:52,020 --> 01:17:50,260
it's just they got really interested in

1638
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:52,030
what I was doing so they said okay we'll

1639
01:17:58,410 --> 01:17:56,050
set this up and we didn't see anything

1640
01:18:00,600 --> 01:17:58,420
where the earthquake so-called

1641
01:18:02,460 --> 01:18:00,610
earthquake lights were seen but I got to

1642
01:18:04,290 --> 01:18:02,470
talk to some of the local residents and

1643
01:18:04,770 --> 01:18:04,300
I took a lot of photos in the daytime

1644
01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:04,780
and

1645
01:18:09,450 --> 01:18:06,400
I'll be darned a whole bunch of things

1646
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:09,460
showed up in those photos that if you'd

1647
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:11,170
seen him at night you would have thought

1648
01:18:16,580 --> 01:18:14,170
they were UFOs but here's what happened

1649
01:18:19,620 --> 01:18:16,590
people would see these blobs of light

1650
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:19,630
highly energized blobs of light that

1651
01:18:24,900 --> 01:18:21,850
would float down the mountain that the

1652
01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:24,910
sides of an antenna shred is this

1653
01:18:28,860 --> 01:18:26,560
enormous mountain that doesn't have a

1654
01:18:32,580 --> 01:18:28,870
single tree on it and it's just covered

1655
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:32,590
with earthquake lines fracture fracture

1656
01:18:36,930 --> 01:18:35,290
lines everywhere so these lights would

1657
01:18:39,450 --> 01:18:36,940
come out of these fracture lines and

1658
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:39,460
roll down the mountain and and Native

1659
01:18:45,030 --> 01:18:42,850
Americans live in small houses at the

1660
01:18:46,530 --> 01:18:45,040
base of the mountain some of them would

1661
01:18:47,940 --> 01:18:46,540
get out and get close to these lights

1662
01:18:50,550 --> 01:18:47,950
and they all reported the same thing

1663
01:18:52,710 --> 01:18:50,560
they all had UFO experiences when they

1664
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:52,720
got close to these lights they all saw

1665
01:18:59,550 --> 01:18:56,410
strange beings some of well saw reported

1666
01:19:01,830 --> 01:18:59,560
Bigfoot some of them reported seeing

1667
01:19:04,740 --> 01:19:01,840
little people which is Native American

1668
01:19:07,650 --> 01:19:04,750
lore and some of them reported seeing

1669
01:19:09,570 --> 01:19:07,660
what we would call the greys but but

1670
01:19:10,860 --> 01:19:09,580
they all had experiences when they got

1671
01:19:14,550 --> 01:19:10,870
close to these lights

1672
01:19:16,740 --> 01:19:14,560
well lights do seem to be intelligent

1673
01:19:18,630 --> 01:19:16,750
you know you say you know our earthquake

1674
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:18,640
a light spook lights whatever you want

1675
01:19:23,190 --> 01:19:20,410
to call them you know just in Mexico

1676
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:23,200
where they had this earthquake a week or

1677
01:19:28,650 --> 01:19:26,530
so ago on YouTube but there are videos

1678
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:28,660
that people have posted of the you know

1679
01:19:33,930 --> 01:19:31,600
lights in this of the sky just after the

1680
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:33,940
earthquake and I know doing my own

1681
01:19:38,580 --> 01:19:35,890
research I used to edit a magazine

1682
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:38,590
because I edited 30 magazines in my

1683
01:19:44,610 --> 01:19:41,250
career called front-page front-page

1684
01:19:47,070 --> 01:19:44,620
disasters well it only lasted three

1685
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:47,080
issues because okay I didn't know about

1686
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:48,970
well it's hard to display on the

1687
01:19:54,330 --> 01:19:51,570
newsstand where do you put it next to

1688
01:19:57,180 --> 01:19:54,340
you know I mean there's no it doesn't go

1689
01:20:00,540 --> 01:19:57,190
next to true romance you know it's not

1690
01:20:03,780 --> 01:20:00,550
in the sports department it would get

1691
01:20:08,190 --> 01:20:03,790
covered up by a playboy god bless you

1692
01:20:10,440 --> 01:20:08,200
Hugh Hefner and you know I mean it but I

1693
01:20:14,550 --> 01:20:10,450
enjoy doing it because every issue I

1694
01:20:16,020 --> 01:20:14,560
snuck in some like strange story I did

1695
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:16,030
an article in Bermuda Triangle because

1696
01:20:18,509 --> 01:20:18,010
there static that damn disaster I don't

1697
01:20:20,279 --> 01:20:18,519
know what

1698
01:20:24,989 --> 01:20:20,289
with all those people disappearing and

1699
01:20:28,529 --> 01:20:24,999
the the brigade wasn't in Australia that

1700
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:28,539
the marched into the the mist and never

1701
01:20:35,759 --> 01:20:31,449
was seen again I think about what 5,000

1702
01:20:37,470 --> 01:20:35,769
soldiers or something like that and you

1703
01:20:39,180 --> 01:20:37,480
know we always found and earthquake

1704
01:20:41,549 --> 01:20:39,190
lights that would that was one that I

1705
01:20:44,759 --> 01:20:41,559
did an article on and we found that

1706
01:20:47,310 --> 01:20:44,769
reports of them going back to the 1920s

1707
01:20:50,549 --> 01:20:47,320
in China and you know you talk about

1708
01:20:52,259 --> 01:20:50,559
deaths by disasters and well I mean some

1709
01:20:54,779 --> 01:20:52,269
of some of the disasters like the

1710
01:20:56,669 --> 01:20:54,789
earthquake so they they took their toll

1711
01:21:00,120 --> 01:20:56,679
back in those days they would they would

1712
01:21:02,819 --> 01:21:00,130
kill 30 or 40,000 50,000 people mmm

1713
01:21:05,189 --> 01:21:02,829
I mean it was there's one other little

1714
01:21:08,580 --> 01:21:05,199
story in this and then I'll be quiet let

1715
01:21:10,410 --> 01:21:08,590
Maria get in here but in New Madrid

1716
01:21:12,930 --> 01:21:10,420
Missouri where the New Madrid earthquake

1717
01:21:16,020 --> 01:21:12,940
thought was and the New Madrid

1718
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:16,030
earthquake fault took place in the 1970s

1719
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:19,360
a professor who was the chairman of the

1720
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:21,489
physics department at southeastern

1721
01:21:27,290 --> 01:21:23,530
Missouri State University name was

1722
01:21:29,850 --> 01:21:27,300
Harley Rutledge oh my goodness yes yes

1723
01:21:33,870 --> 01:21:29,860
I'm trying to get a fellow on who has

1724
01:21:35,790 --> 01:21:33,880
done extensive research on his material

1725
01:21:37,739 --> 01:21:35,800
I have a copy of the book here a great I

1726
01:21:40,890 --> 01:21:37,749
just wrote an article about that it's on

1727
01:21:43,109 --> 01:21:40,900
alternate perceptions website oh ma well

1728
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:43,119
maybe that's the article or I don't know

1729
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:45,489
but I has been there I have I asked my

1730
01:21:51,180 --> 01:21:48,010
wife is from New Madrid and I knew a lot

1731
01:21:52,950 --> 01:21:51,190
of the witnesses I went I was going to

1732
01:21:55,020 --> 01:21:52,960
that place when Rutledge did his work

1733
01:21:57,899 --> 01:21:55,030
but the bottom line is this Rutledge and

1734
01:21:59,939 --> 01:21:57,909
his crew saw they these were all

1735
01:22:03,120 --> 01:21:59,949
professionals none of them were UFO

1736
01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:03,130
people none he had he had roughly 50

1737
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:04,960
people that did this research they were

1738
01:22:11,430 --> 01:22:08,650
all astronomers physicists and he had

1739
01:22:13,859 --> 01:22:11,440
some geologists they had top university

1740
01:22:16,229 --> 01:22:13,869
equipment by the way the president of

1741
01:22:18,750 --> 01:22:16,239
the University who signed off on it this

1742
01:22:23,580 --> 01:22:18,760
is going to ring a bell what name was

1743
01:22:25,709 --> 01:22:23,590
dr. Scully scul li can you believe that

1744
01:22:28,049 --> 01:22:25,719
that was the real name of the other

1745
01:22:30,689 --> 01:22:28,059
there's another sing synchronicity you

1746
01:22:32,250 --> 01:22:30,699
know that yes that's my favorite topic

1747
01:22:35,310 --> 01:22:32,260
there you go but he

1748
01:22:38,070 --> 01:22:35,320
what Rutledge found was that these the

1749
01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:38,080
the UFOs they saw which they reported

1750
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:41,760
them all as lights rounded or globules

1751
01:22:46,230 --> 01:22:43,930
globules of light that would sometimes

1752
01:22:48,750 --> 01:22:46,240
flatten out they said they saw roughly

1753
01:22:51,060 --> 01:22:48,760
250 of them over the years they did this

1754
01:22:53,130 --> 01:22:51,070
and they filmed them they photographed

1755
01:22:55,860 --> 01:22:53,140
them they did all kinds of tests on them

1756
01:22:59,610 --> 01:22:55,870
they responded to light and as I recall

1757
01:23:02,730 --> 01:22:59,620
him is 32 times 32 cases they got an

1758
01:23:05,820 --> 01:23:02,740
interactive effect of them and I had a

1759
01:23:07,650 --> 01:23:05,830
rather pretty close friend who's

1760
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:07,660
actually a relative who was the Adjutant

1761
01:23:13,260 --> 01:23:09,850
General of Missouri National Guard who

1762
01:23:17,970 --> 01:23:13,270
knew about this in my wife's family he

1763
01:23:20,970 --> 01:23:17,980
knew about the flights of the the

1764
01:23:23,460 --> 01:23:20,980
National Guard's jets that were over the

1765
01:23:26,100 --> 01:23:23,470
area at the time and he said they didn't

1766
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:26,110
know they were trying to find out what

1767
01:23:30,530 --> 01:23:27,970
it was - they had no idea what it was

1768
01:23:33,150 --> 01:23:30,540
but Rutledge said these were intelligent

1769
01:23:36,330 --> 01:23:33,160
plasmas at the end of his book he will

1770
01:23:38,970 --> 01:23:36,340
explain in his eye in his mind these are

1771
01:23:44,730 --> 01:23:38,980
intelligent plasmas that interact with

1772
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:44,740
us and they're there they exist in

1773
01:23:50,010 --> 01:23:47,610
another dimension or they're not exactly

1774
01:23:52,500 --> 01:23:50,020
interdimensional they come in to their

1775
01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:52,510
earth energies it goes all the way lines

1776
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:54,880
everything the Maria discussed fits what

1777
01:23:59,970 --> 01:23:57,280
the Native Americans believed there is

1778
01:24:02,760 --> 01:23:59,980
some sort of an energy and intelligence

1779
01:24:04,350 --> 01:24:02,770
in the in everything Native Americans

1780
01:24:07,290 --> 01:24:04,360
believed that they believed everything

1781
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:07,300
was part of that spirit well Maria over

1782
01:24:12,570 --> 01:24:10,690
there in the UK have you had any UFO

1783
01:24:16,470 --> 01:24:12,580
sightings along these ley lines or these

1784
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:16,480
monuments there well yes especially the

1785
01:24:21,810 --> 01:24:19,570
plasma that Greg was just describing

1786
01:24:24,330 --> 01:24:21,820
because it's interesting to note in the

1787
01:24:27,540 --> 01:24:24,340
British Isles that most stone circles on

1788
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:27,550
stone rows are sited within a mile and a

1789
01:24:33,510 --> 01:24:30,970
half of a fault line there that's a

1790
01:24:35,790 --> 01:24:33,520
design cannon now what we have a look at

1791
01:24:39,300 --> 01:24:35,800
the earth currents that often entwine

1792
01:24:43,770 --> 01:24:39,310
lays or ley lines I have seen on these

1793
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:43,780
earth currents amber like a size of a UK

1794
01:24:48,330 --> 01:24:45,610
soccer ball you say

1795
01:24:51,899 --> 01:24:48,340
every say football around soccer ball

1796
01:24:54,810 --> 01:24:51,909
come out of these kind of currents close

1797
01:24:57,660 --> 01:24:54,820
to ancient sites and their amber colored

1798
01:24:59,910 --> 01:24:57,670
and they come out and I remember many

1799
01:25:03,209 --> 01:24:59,920
years ago when I witnessed one with my

1800
01:25:05,310 --> 01:25:03,219
daughter who was then ten I asked it to

1801
01:25:07,050 --> 01:25:05,320
move slightly to one side and they are

1802
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:07,060
definitely interacting with our

1803
01:25:11,129 --> 01:25:09,730
consciousness then it moved over a bit

1804
01:25:14,399 --> 01:25:11,139
like you were describing earlier with

1805
01:25:17,790 --> 01:25:14,409
blinken at warminster with with lines it

1806
01:25:19,919 --> 01:25:17,800
was yes yes I do feel feel that and the

1807
01:25:23,850 --> 01:25:19,929
other interesting thing that I noticed

1808
01:25:26,340 --> 01:25:23,860
after the experience because I was told

1809
01:25:28,709 --> 01:25:26,350
in a dream to go to this place with my

1810
01:25:31,470 --> 01:25:28,719
daughter to witness this earth light as

1811
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:31,480
we call them in the in the Union mm-hmm

1812
01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:34,570
and after that it seemed to increase my

1813
01:25:40,770 --> 01:25:38,560
my sense of well-being and intuition so

1814
01:25:43,709 --> 01:25:40,780
I think if they really do can change our

1815
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:43,719
consciousness and act as like a guiding

1816
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:52,210
force and what that or what would you

1817
01:25:56,189 --> 01:25:54,130
say are they I mean do you believe that

1818
01:25:58,590 --> 01:25:56,199
they are of extraterrestrial origin or

1819
01:26:00,120 --> 01:25:58,600
some of them are I mean are are the UFOs

1820
01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:00,130
coming around some of these ancient

1821
01:26:05,939 --> 01:26:04,000
sites that draw energy that's so that's

1822
01:26:08,669 --> 01:26:05,949
often being noticed you know I remember

1823
01:26:10,890 --> 01:26:08,679
doing a series with the UFO Hunters that

1824
01:26:15,899 --> 01:26:10,900
came to Stonehenge and were linked and

1825
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:15,909
you know vortices or vortexes to sites

1826
01:26:22,020 --> 01:26:18,850
that had UFO activity but what's being

1827
01:26:23,820 --> 01:26:22,030
noticed in this area over the past sort

1828
01:26:26,550 --> 01:26:23,830
of five years and bear in mind I'm on

1829
01:26:28,830 --> 01:26:26,560
the edge of the Salisbury playing which

1830
01:26:31,229 --> 01:26:28,840
is you know whether military are we coin

1831
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:31,239
it are kind of like area 51 is much

1832
01:26:36,410 --> 01:26:34,000
smaller than your area 51 but it is

1833
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:36,420
still an analyst run by the military and

1834
01:26:42,390 --> 01:26:39,130
there have been I witnesses that have

1835
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:42,400
seen two helicopters escorting what

1836
01:26:48,390 --> 01:26:45,130
looked like a kind of classical flying

1837
01:26:50,459 --> 01:26:48,400
saucer shape towards the source B plane

1838
01:26:54,990 --> 01:26:50,469
they weren't chasing this so-called UFO

1839
01:26:59,220 --> 01:26:57,360
this reminds me of and I'm never going

1840
01:27:02,640 --> 01:26:59,230
to be able to pronounce his first name

1841
01:27:06,030 --> 01:27:02,650
but I'll just say the the lights that

1842
01:27:10,380 --> 01:27:06,040
are constantly being seen in Norway that

1843
01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:10,390
have been extensively so those are about

1844
01:27:14,700 --> 01:27:13,120
the best in fact dr. Hynek I remember

1845
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:14,710
seeing him all dressed up in a polar

1846
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:17,010
bear outfit or something yeah over there

1847
01:27:23,220 --> 01:27:19,890
to investigate the lights they have some

1848
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:23,230
actually very tremendous videos of the

1849
01:27:29,190 --> 01:27:25,330
lights streaking across the the heavens

1850
01:27:32,730 --> 01:27:29,200
and apparently the local college set up

1851
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:32,740
a kind of an observatory with some you

1852
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:34,810
know cameras that were recording all the

1853
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:37,410
activity there and it's really quite

1854
01:27:44,250 --> 01:27:40,570
spectacular it kind of looked makes the

1855
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:44,260
the puts the Marfa lights way down you

1856
01:27:48,030 --> 01:27:45,850
know in the year the totem pole of a

1857
01:27:51,570 --> 01:27:48,040
ghost lights when you see these things

1858
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:51,580
up in the in the heavens although Brown

1859
01:27:56,220 --> 01:27:53,170
Mountain lights too you know I mean

1860
01:27:58,230 --> 01:27:56,230
joshua p wore and of course he's done

1861
01:28:02,580 --> 01:27:58,240
all sorts of research on the subject

1862
01:28:04,140 --> 01:28:02,590
there and they've been seen for hundreds

1863
01:28:05,490 --> 01:28:04,150
of years you know i mean some people

1864
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:05,500
sell the cars of the highway in the

1865
01:28:10,100 --> 01:28:07,210
train and blah blah blah but that's not

1866
01:28:13,130 --> 01:28:10,110
the case because they predate that but

1867
01:28:17,550 --> 01:28:13,140
you know i I was down there many many

1868
01:28:20,850 --> 01:28:17,560
years ago and we happen to have actually

1869
01:28:23,130 --> 01:28:20,860
interviewed some of the you know the

1870
01:28:25,620 --> 01:28:23,140
original witnesses like from the 1920s

1871
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:25,630
and the thirties and so forth and and

1872
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:27,370
they all told the same story about how

1873
01:28:33,510 --> 01:28:30,930
they'd see this light not too far away

1874
01:28:35,460 --> 01:28:33,520
but then as they tried to walk towards

1875
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:35,470
it it would disappear and they would

1876
01:28:40,530 --> 01:28:37,810
turn around and it would be behind them

1877
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:40,540
so I mean you know they didn't see any

1878
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:42,850
faces and the lights there were no you

1879
01:28:46,950 --> 01:28:44,770
know a alien the creatures per se

1880
01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:46,960
although we did have the story of Ralph

1881
01:28:54,270 --> 01:28:51,840
Alejo this fellow who ran the little

1882
01:28:56,220 --> 01:28:54,280
convenience store I guess you would call

1883
01:28:59,220 --> 01:28:56,230
it up on top of the the mountain you

1884
01:29:02,460 --> 01:28:59,230
know he would sell you a crystals along

1885
01:29:04,980 --> 01:29:02,470
with a bottle of soda pop and he had he

1886
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:04,990
had a little man under the counter in

1887
01:29:08,860 --> 01:29:06,610
fact I know I took a photograph of it

1888
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:08,870
which joshua has put out

1889
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:11,810
Paige but credited to Commander X but

1890
01:29:17,230 --> 01:29:15,050
that's that's okay and it was a little

1891
01:29:19,450 --> 01:29:17,240
man inside a coffin in he swears it was

1892
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:19,460
you know an alien I think was just one

1893
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:21,170
of these roadside attractions that

1894
01:29:26,290 --> 01:29:23,330
people used to have around draw people

1895
01:29:28,030 --> 01:29:26,300
into their you know a place but he

1896
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:28,040
claimed it he actually went inside the

1897
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:31,730
the mountain and you know had

1898
01:29:35,350 --> 01:29:33,650
conversations with these people from

1899
01:29:37,420 --> 01:29:35,360
some planet I can't remember the name of

1900
01:29:39,820 --> 01:29:37,430
but it was very very silly sounding name

1901
01:29:41,980 --> 01:29:39,830
but then perhaps earth is silly sounding

1902
01:29:45,820 --> 01:29:41,990
to somebody from the other side of the

1903
01:29:49,420 --> 01:29:45,830
solar system as well right well Tim you

1904
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:49,430
know that in where I grew up there was

1905
01:29:55,930 --> 01:29:52,010
the the mound State Park in Anderson

1906
01:29:58,320 --> 01:29:55,940
Indiana which had it still does you know

1907
01:30:00,280 --> 01:29:58,330
a fairly extensive the earthworks

1908
01:30:02,290 --> 01:30:00,290
ancient earthworks and you know that

1909
01:30:05,890 --> 01:30:02,300
area has been well known through the

1910
01:30:10,660 --> 01:30:05,900
years as being kind of like a UFO hot

1911
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:10,670
spot site sightings of big birds the

1912
01:30:15,490 --> 01:30:14,090
little people puku geez along the banks

1913
01:30:18,550 --> 01:30:15,500
of the the White River that flows

1914
01:30:21,550 --> 01:30:18,560
through that park so you know it says

1915
01:30:23,830 --> 01:30:21,560
it's just interesting how these types of

1916
01:30:26,890 --> 01:30:23,840
you know unusual activities seem to

1917
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:26,900
Center upon these areas you know like

1918
01:30:30,670 --> 01:30:29,210
which came first you know did the did

1919
01:30:33,580 --> 01:30:30,680
the mounds come first and the track the

1920
01:30:37,870 --> 01:30:33,590
activity or did they build in of these

1921
01:30:41,170 --> 01:30:37,880
these places on hot spot areas well you

1922
01:30:42,940 --> 01:30:41,180
notice we have just gotten the the

1923
01:30:46,210 --> 01:30:42,950
signal that it's five minutes to

1924
01:30:50,470 --> 01:30:46,220
midnight here on the East Coast and I do

1925
01:30:53,110 --> 01:30:50,480
want to go around the the table at least

1926
01:30:56,050 --> 01:30:53,120
one last time so that our guests can

1927
01:30:59,260 --> 01:30:56,060
tell us how listeners might be able to

1928
01:31:00,790 --> 01:30:59,270
get in touch with them and what they are

1929
01:31:04,210 --> 01:31:00,800
working on currently and what they might

1930
01:31:09,190 --> 01:31:04,220
be working on in the future so why don't

1931
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:09,200
we start over there in the UK with Maria

1932
01:31:15,700 --> 01:31:13,370
what was it what's on your schedule well

1933
01:31:18,730 --> 01:31:15,710
people can find out what I'm doing on

1934
01:31:22,180 --> 01:31:18,740
but my website the Avebury experience

1935
01:31:22,970 --> 01:31:22,190
dot c-- o UK or find out about my

1936
01:31:25,610 --> 01:31:22,980
dowsing

1937
01:31:27,890 --> 01:31:25,620
horses and my other esoteric courses

1938
01:31:32,090 --> 01:31:27,900
that I teach online and through Skype on

1939
01:31:34,729 --> 01:31:32,100
esoteric college comm and currently I'm

1940
01:31:36,830 --> 01:31:34,739
doing planning tools for next year I go

1941
01:31:39,050 --> 01:31:36,840
to places not just like Stonehenge but

1942
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:39,060
Malta I'm going to Sardinia with Hugh

1943
01:31:45,140 --> 01:31:41,489
Newman I'm investigating the Bosnian

1944
01:31:48,100 --> 01:31:45,150
pyramids with dr. Sam on a cruise in

1945
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:48,110
April so lots of things going on there

1946
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:51,170
about to write a book on Stonehenge and

1947
01:31:56,510 --> 01:31:54,210
Dolores canons American publishing

1948
01:32:00,110 --> 01:31:56,520
company Ozark are publishing a book on

1949
01:32:02,420 --> 01:32:00,120
my Celtic druids astrology system which

1950
01:32:06,290 --> 01:32:02,430
were out in January in the States

1951
01:32:09,310 --> 01:32:06,300
you are one busy lady and you know I've

1952
01:32:11,870 --> 01:32:09,320
got I've got to catch up on some of your

1953
01:32:17,390 --> 01:32:11,880
material when I have a chance to catch

1954
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:17,400
up on that these days but most

1955
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:20,330
interesting most interesting information

1956
01:32:26,660 --> 01:32:23,730
indeed and we will have to have you back

1957
01:32:27,950 --> 01:32:26,670
on in the future because I'm sure there

1958
01:32:31,850 --> 01:32:27,960
are a lot of things we haven't discussed

1959
01:32:33,950 --> 01:32:31,860
and dr. Greg little what can I say about

1960
01:32:36,380 --> 01:32:33,960
you what what could you say about

1961
01:32:38,930 --> 01:32:36,390
yourself what would you work you got

1962
01:32:43,490 --> 01:32:38,940
these days well I'm always working on

1963
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:43,500
something but AP magazine dot info yes

1964
01:32:49,790 --> 01:32:47,850
we're in trains at it oh yeah yes yeah

1965
01:32:52,790 --> 01:32:49,800
Brent's good guy known him for a long

1966
01:32:55,340 --> 01:32:52,800
time and I if I write in this field

1967
01:32:58,430 --> 01:32:55,350
it'll appear they're usually first ap

1968
01:33:00,729 --> 01:32:58,440
magazine info I am hard to get a hold of

1969
01:33:04,700 --> 01:33:00,739
you got to search around a little bit

1970
01:33:09,440 --> 01:33:04,710
and I am still very active in my

1971
01:33:11,900 --> 01:33:09,450
professional field and travel a great

1972
01:33:13,940 --> 01:33:11,910
deal but I don't generally talk too much

1973
01:33:16,130 --> 01:33:13,950
about it I had just finished a book on

1974
01:33:18,580 --> 01:33:16,140
Alabama mounds with mainstream

1975
01:33:22,580 --> 01:33:18,590
archeologists they're working with

1976
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:22,590
actually three of the biggest

1977
01:33:27,710 --> 01:33:26,010
archaeologists in that state and they've

1978
01:33:29,810 --> 01:33:27,720
asked me to do another one with them I

1979
01:33:32,060 --> 01:33:29,820
don't know that I want to because those

1980
01:33:34,990 --> 01:33:32,070
things don't I I don't really like

1981
01:33:36,319 --> 01:33:35,000
writing with mainstream archaeologists

1982
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:36,329
other

1983
01:33:40,010 --> 01:33:38,130
I'm working on a book with Andrew

1984
01:33:41,870 --> 01:33:40,020
Collins he's coming over here this

1985
01:33:42,859 --> 01:33:41,880
coming week as a matter of fact and

1986
01:33:46,669 --> 01:33:42,869
we're gonna spend a couple of weeks

1987
01:33:48,379 --> 01:33:46,679
together we're doing a follow-up book to

1988
01:33:51,819 --> 01:33:48,389
the last one that we did together called

1989
01:33:56,089 --> 01:33:51,829
passive Souls and I'm doing other things

1990
01:33:57,950 --> 01:33:56,099
all right professional work well you do

1991
01:33:59,899 --> 01:33:57,960
you do a great deal of research and

1992
01:34:02,089 --> 01:33:59,909
we've got to get back to you to talk

1993
01:34:05,540 --> 01:34:02,099
about the Bermuda Triangle and I had

1994
01:34:07,790 --> 01:34:05,550
this in the day we found 31 planes you

1995
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:07,800
found 31 plane my wife and I and our

1996
01:34:12,709 --> 01:34:10,170
trips there we found 31 planes now are

1997
01:34:15,649 --> 01:34:12,719
they are any of these the Avenger

1998
01:34:17,689 --> 01:34:15,659
bombers no I was hoping to find them we

1999
01:34:19,879 --> 01:34:17,699
found two that are on the official list

2000
01:34:22,129 --> 01:34:19,889
including one of the very important ones

2001
01:34:24,109 --> 01:34:22,139
the second plane that went down we found

2002
01:34:25,939 --> 01:34:24,119
that with National Geographic you can

2003
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:25,949
see that on actually I think it's on

2004
01:34:32,540 --> 01:34:29,610
YouTube it's a I show Nat Geo did well I

2005
01:34:34,669 --> 01:34:32,550
I want to also I guess put it in a plug

2006
01:34:36,770 --> 01:34:34,679
for a couple of our titles we've just

2007
01:34:39,290 --> 01:34:36,780
published a book by Reverend Barry

2008
01:34:41,060 --> 01:34:39,300
downing who's of course his original

2009
01:34:44,689 --> 01:34:41,070
book flying saucers in the Bible was

2010
01:34:46,700 --> 01:34:44,699
published 50 years ago and we've just

2011
01:34:49,270 --> 01:34:46,710
come out with his second book called

2012
01:34:52,250 --> 01:34:49,280
biblical UFO revelations did

2013
01:34:54,939 --> 01:34:52,260
extraterrestrial powers cause ancient

2014
01:34:58,609 --> 01:34:54,949
miracles like the parting of the Red Sea

2015
01:35:01,010 --> 01:34:58,619
the dropping of manna from the heavens

2016
01:35:02,990 --> 01:35:01,020
Ezekiel's wheel and of course don't

2017
01:35:04,939 --> 01:35:03,000
forget about the matrix control system

2018
01:35:07,459 --> 01:35:04,949
of philip k dick and the paranormal

2019
01:35:11,089 --> 01:35:07,469
synchronicities of timothy Beckley and

2020
01:35:12,979 --> 01:35:11,099
the Bladerunner 2049 or whatever it's

2021
01:35:16,129 --> 01:35:12,989
called that should be out in a couple of

2022
01:35:18,229 --> 01:35:16,139
weeks and thank you all for listening

2023
01:35:21,709 --> 01:35:18,239
and tune in next week don't forget our

2024
01:35:22,399 --> 01:35:21,719
youtube channel mr. UFO secret files and

2025
01:35:27,860 --> 01:35:22,409
Thank You Tina

2026
01:35:34,350 --> 01:35:30,690
you've been listening to exploring the

2027
01:35:37,950 --> 01:35:34,360
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2028
01:35:40,830 --> 01:35:37,960
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2029
01:35:43,410 --> 01:35:40,840
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2030
01:35:47,030 --> 01:35:43,420
search of the truly bizarre and totally

2031
01:35:49,729 --> 01:35:47,040
unexplained with you as their combines

2032
01:35:54,209 --> 01:35:49,739
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2033
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:54,219
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2034
01:35:58,010 --> 01:35:55,410
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2035
01:36:01,310 --> 01:35:58,020
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2036
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:01,320
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2037
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:04,170
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2038
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